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Hi
Unfortunately I have to part with my GT3 and am looking to do a SOR at a dealer. I phoned the OPC I bought the car from last year (Guildford) and they said they no longer offer SOR.
Can anyone recommend any other dealers for SOR (I tried Camtune but they have 2 GT3s already)?
Thanks
Craig
Unfortunately I have to part with my GT3 and am looking to do a SOR at a dealer. I phoned the OPC I bought the car from last year (Guildford) and they said they no longer offer SOR.
Can anyone recommend any other dealers for SOR (I tried Camtune but they have 2 GT3s already)?
Thanks
Craig
DanH said:
Hope you don't mind me asking, but are you selling because you are bored of it? Thinking about getting one, so interested to know why people sell them.
This isn't my car, but as an ex 911 owner and enthusiast I'm also looking to go back to one and I think that a GT3 would be ideal.
However I would like to also consider paying more for a car that might go up in value, not plummet.
I have gained some information, that has made me reconsider the GT3 - certainly at current prices. I can only offer to share my findings, but here goes.
Remembering that the Porsche buyer profile has changed, from that of better off enthusiasts to, in the main, a group of people who have a completely different agenda. They prefer being in and being seen in a Porsche, than learning how to and actually driving it hard.
The high take up of Tiptronic,FWD, wide bodies, Targas and Cabrios illustrates this.
This means that the 'Sport' Porsche market has shrunk, due to different buyer requirements and of course todays anti-speed driving conditions.
A well known specialist last week told me that GT3's are virtually unsaleable and the RS even more so. The (very) harsh ride and all round higher costs are the primary reasons that make the car less of an all round proposition. And that's what draws many to a Porsche.
If you look at the Autotrader site you will see some GT3's that have been advertised for over 9 months and also many of the GT3 RS's that have ever been sold. Look at the mileages. Long trips were clearly, easy to resist.
In the trade, all 996 prices are currently falling at £1000 per month.
Most 996 owners are aware of the unexpected downturn and consequently there are more cars for sale, that there are buyers.
You will have also seen that the asking prices for GT3's are around the prices of the well recieved and virtually as high performance 997.
It's not all bad news. The tip for investement apparently is the underpriced late'80's Carrera at under 20K or the '73 RS at 75K
Thanks for all the options guys
I don't really want to sell as this is the first and probably only car I will own from new.
However, I know I will probably not keep it long term and I'm finding it hard to justify the depreciation & insurance cost (I live in London).
It is a fantastic car to drive although the hard ride can become a bit tiring on our cr*p UK roads. I have been there/done that with the supercar thing in this country so am not so interested in out and out performance any more. I will probably buy another Lamborghini although an older one that doesn't lose any money!
I don't really want to sell as this is the first and probably only car I will own from new.
However, I know I will probably not keep it long term and I'm finding it hard to justify the depreciation & insurance cost (I live in London).
It is a fantastic car to drive although the hard ride can become a bit tiring on our cr*p UK roads. I have been there/done that with the supercar thing in this country so am not so interested in out and out performance any more. I will probably buy another Lamborghini although an older one that doesn't lose any money!
crbox said:
A well known specialist last week told me that GT3's are virtually unsaleable and the RS even more so. The (very) harsh ride and all round higher costs are the primary reasons that make the car less of an all round proposition.
In the trade, all 996 prices are currently falling at £1000 per month.
It's not all bad news. The tip for investement apparently is the underpriced late'80's Carrera at under 20K or the '73 RS at 75K
The press knocked the 964RS on its debut for a harsh ride. Porsche only banked on manufacturing a hundred 2.7RSs 'cos they thought it wouldn't appeal to their customers....the "flawed" GT3 is therefore proving to be a worthy successor to those now classic and investment grade predecessors (caveat on 964RS later...)
The 996 is freefalling in price and the GT3 RS is proving not to be a good investment - yet - but it'll not drop below £50k.
My tip for the future is indeed the G50 3.2, but it ain't a patch on its successors in any other area than the nostalgia stakes.
From what I've read, the GT3 is reliable (more so than the RMS afflicted 996) and not expensive to run.
But please do keep on tarring the GT3 with the same brush as the 996 - I thought I'd have to find £35k to buy an RHD one in a year's time - looks like I may be able to shave a further £5k or so off of that...
... Caveat....of course...if the GT3 drops to £30k, what will that do for 993 and 964RS prices?....I think they'll be depressed - the 964RS especially....
I've got a friend who runs a specialist dealership. He's always managed to sell my cars for very good money, just sold my '03 SL55AMG for £70 which is a massive acheivement when you look at main dealer prices!
check out www.avromotorcars.co.uk and ask for Mark Hawkins. His customers include Eric Clapton, Jay Kay and many many more!
check out www.avromotorcars.co.uk and ask for Mark Hawkins. His customers include Eric Clapton, Jay Kay and many many more!
rubystone said:
A well known specialist last week told me that GT3's are virtually unsaleable and the RS even more so. The (very) harsh ride and all round higher costs are the primary reasons that make the car less of an all round proposition.
In the trade, all 996 prices are currently falling at £1000 per month.
It's not all bad news. The tip for investement apparently is the underpriced late'80's Carrera at under 20K or the '73 RS at 75K
The press knocked the 964RS on its debut for a harsh ride. Porsche only banked on manufacturing a hundred 2.7RSs 'cos they thought it wouldn't appeal to their customers....the "flawed" GT3 is therefore proving to be a worthy successor to those now classic and investment grade predecessors (caveat on 964RS later...)
The 996 is freefalling in price and the GT3 RS is proving not to be a good investment - yet - but it'll not drop below £50k.
My tip for the future is indeed the G50 3.2, but it ain't a patch on its successors in any other area than the nostalgia stakes.
From what I've read, the GT3 is reliable (more so than the RMS afflicted 996) and not expensive to run.
But please do keep on tarring the GT3 with the same brush as the 996 - I thought I'd have to find £35k to buy an RHD one in a year's time - looks like I may be able to shave a further £5k or so off of that...
Caveat....of course...if the GT3 drops to £30k, what will that do for 993 and 964RS prices?....I think they'll be depressed - the 964RS especially....
You think 996 GT3s will hit 35k in a year? I can't see that however you slice it.
every time I get close to buying a GT3,they seem to take another dip in price and with the 997 version around the corner and 20 odd cars for sale on the OPC website alone it's tough to see prices firming up.I want one enough to track this summer so I'm going to take the plunge anyway despite further likely depreciation.Still can't make up my mind between a mk1 and mk2.Mk 2 must be the better value proposition now,better engine,brakes and cooling on track,but there's a romance to the mk 1 I can't get out of my mind.Thoughts?
PS Am I right in saying that the mk1 is an easier/softer car to control?all help/comments appreciated.
PS Am I right in saying that the mk1 is an easier/softer car to control?all help/comments appreciated.
I don't see how you come up with these figures. MK1's are holding at around 50k for a RHD, and MK2's are high 50's. The RS's there are not enough been sold second hand to judge, the problem with the RS is that some people bought them not knowing what they were getting, so trade them in early, I know of several with getting on for 20k on the clock. It isn't harsh on the roads and the suspension can be adjusted to suit your tastes.
I can see the price of Mk2's going below the MK1 in 18 months, as there are a lot mor eof them around. But I don't see HRD MK1's going below 50, and an RS will always be 20k more than a MK1.
I know there was a MK1 on Ebay for 35, but this card had been smashed, and the owner wouldn't allow an inspection.
Lets be honest the GT3 is for a certain type of buyer, just why I wouldn't buy a Tip Cab.
I know I may be biased as I have an RS, but I really don't see why there is all this talk of the market plummeting. But maybe I'm blind.
I can see the price of Mk2's going below the MK1 in 18 months, as there are a lot mor eof them around. But I don't see HRD MK1's going below 50, and an RS will always be 20k more than a MK1.
I know there was a MK1 on Ebay for 35, but this card had been smashed, and the owner wouldn't allow an inspection.
Lets be honest the GT3 is for a certain type of buyer, just why I wouldn't buy a Tip Cab.
I know I may be biased as I have an RS, but I really don't see why there is all this talk of the market plummeting. But maybe I'm blind.
seandudding said:
I don't see how you come up with these figures. MK1's are holding at around 50k for a RHD, and MK2's are high 50's. The RS's there are not enough been sold second hand to judge, the problem with the RS is that some people bought them not knowing what they were getting, so trade them in early, I know of several with getting on for 20k on the clock. It isn't harsh on the roads and the suspension can be adjusted to suit your tastes.
I can see the price of Mk2's going below the MK1 in 18 months, as there are a lot mor eof them around. But I don't see HRD MK1's going below 50, and an RS will always be 20k more than a MK1.
I know there was a MK1 on Ebay for 35, but this card had been smashed, and the owner wouldn't allow an inspection.
Lets be honest the GT3 is for a certain type of buyer, just why I wouldn't buy a Tip Cab.
I know I may be biased as I have an RS, but I really don't see why there is all this talk of the market plummeting. But maybe I'm blind.
I'm not really convinced the mk2 will drop below the mk1. Its a better car imho, and I don't know if the exclusivity of having an inferior car is much of a selling point!
I started wanting a mk1, but given I intend to use the car, the attraction of having the big brakes, strengthened+cooled box, more power, and better looks all sound like a better proposition. If as you say, that these cars attract a certain type of buyer, a driver, not a poser, then surely the mk2 will command a premium. Personally I couldn't give a &(*£ how many they made beyond what impact it might have on residuals.
Dan,I must say I tend to agree with you.The mk2 will retain some sort of premium and for good reason.I owned a mk2 GT3 2 years ago and had a GT3RS last summer.Both were tracked 5 or 6 times but,inevitably,saw more road use.One of the reasons I quite fancy a mk1 is that I've never had one.Can anybody tell me whether it feels/drives much differently from the mk2 on road especially but also on track.Thanks.
gunner said:
Dan,I must say I tend to agree with you.The mk2 will retain some sort of premium and for good reason.I owned a mk2 GT3 2 years ago and had a GT3RS last summer.Both were tracked 5 or 6 times but,inevitably,saw more road use.One of the reasons I quite fancy a mk1 is that I've never had one.Can anybody tell me whether it feels/drives much differently from the mk2 on road especially but also on track.Thanks.
I thought the mk2 was just tamed slightly in terms of geo to soften it up for the yank market. From reading around a bit, I've got the impression that JZMaztech etc can diddle with the geo and get the mk1 feel? I'm guessing its more than just a setup though as 500 quid was mentioned, and that would be the most expensive geo I've ever heard of by a factor of 5.
Sean,
I think people are trying to depress the pricing of the GT3 and RS so that they can get a bargain from people who bought one when they should have got into a Turbo, Cab, 4s tip etc.
These cars appeal to the true Porsche fan as they are closer to the spirit of Porsche than the other models in the range.
As for being uncomfortable I have driven to Germany, France, closer to home Cornwall and Wales in my car with no issues.
This is motoring dear friends, remember that? When you could actually feel what was going.
It would appear that some people have spent far too much time lapping the 'ring from the comfort of their armchair, thanks to Mr Sony, rather than from getting out there and experiancing why we are into cars in the first place!
Just buy a GT3 and enjoy it. Put some mile on the thing, attend some events and smile.
99% of all cars depreciate in terms of £ notes. The question is what value do you put on the things that are not measured in £ notes?
P.
I think people are trying to depress the pricing of the GT3 and RS so that they can get a bargain from people who bought one when they should have got into a Turbo, Cab, 4s tip etc.
These cars appeal to the true Porsche fan as they are closer to the spirit of Porsche than the other models in the range.
As for being uncomfortable I have driven to Germany, France, closer to home Cornwall and Wales in my car with no issues.
This is motoring dear friends, remember that? When you could actually feel what was going.
It would appear that some people have spent far too much time lapping the 'ring from the comfort of their armchair, thanks to Mr Sony, rather than from getting out there and experiancing why we are into cars in the first place!
Just buy a GT3 and enjoy it. Put some mile on the thing, attend some events and smile.
99% of all cars depreciate in terms of £ notes. The question is what value do you put on the things that are not measured in £ notes?
P.
The newer cars do seem to be falling quite heavily at the moment and as we have said before with the 997 TT/GT3 on the horizon this may well continue for while? Another factor may be the fact that the housing market is no longer going up, so Porsche buyers don't have the comfort of property appreciation to offset against a Porker?
I don't see 996 GT3 at 30k myself, but then again I don't consider them as "blue chip" as others.
There really does seem to be a move towards the older cars by those who own several Porsches I have spoken with a few people who are selling Gt3/RS to buy '70's-early '90's cars.....The 997 GT3 is going to be more capable than the 996 versions which won't have enough character to command a premium.
I don't see 996 GT3 at 30k myself, but then again I don't consider them as "blue chip" as others.
There really does seem to be a move towards the older cars by those who own several Porsches I have spoken with a few people who are selling Gt3/RS to buy '70's-early '90's cars.....The 997 GT3 is going to be more capable than the 996 versions which won't have enough character to command a premium.
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