GT3 or GT3RS ?
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I would say let your budget dictate.
There is not a lot of diffence between them, the RS is that little bit more track focused, but not hardly any less useable on a day to day than a MKII.
The lowest RS i have seen recently was for £75k, so if you could stretch to it, i think it would be a better long term investment.
Very Good MKII's can be had for Circa £60-65k.
MKII'S can be set up very well for around £500, which will make them pretty damn close to a standard RS on track, or with the Manthey suspension everybit as quick IMHO.
If only a few trackdays per year, then i think the MKII's road manners should prevail. If a lot of track use then go RS
Just my 0.02p anyway.
G.
>> Edited by glenn mcmenamin on Sunday 15th May 17:52
There is not a lot of diffence between them, the RS is that little bit more track focused, but not hardly any less useable on a day to day than a MKII.
The lowest RS i have seen recently was for £75k, so if you could stretch to it, i think it would be a better long term investment.
Very Good MKII's can be had for Circa £60-65k.
MKII'S can be set up very well for around £500, which will make them pretty damn close to a standard RS on track, or with the Manthey suspension everybit as quick IMHO.
If only a few trackdays per year, then i think the MKII's road manners should prevail. If a lot of track use then go RS
Just my 0.02p anyway.
G.
>> Edited by glenn mcmenamin on Sunday 15th May 17:52
Hi Chris,
I just sent you a mail regarding the MK2 I had for sale, it was sold on Friday. Having owned both cars I can honestly say the RS is a little more special, but once set up there is not a masive differance between the 2 cars. I think the general opinion is correct the RS will allways be the slightly faster and rarer car, but the MK2's are really good value at the moment. If I didn't have one I would be buying now!
I just sent you a mail regarding the MK2 I had for sale, it was sold on Friday. Having owned both cars I can honestly say the RS is a little more special, but once set up there is not a masive differance between the 2 cars. I think the general opinion is correct the RS will allways be the slightly faster and rarer car, but the MK2's are really good value at the moment. If I didn't have one I would be buying now!
To be honest the GT3 isn't a great car for a spirited road drive - its track focus makes it compromised on the bumpy roads here in blighty and continually asks a lot of the driver to maintain good progress. Only today the car's tendancy to tramline almost wiped me out while overtaking on a narrow b-road. Also during the winter it can be a real handful and aquaplanes like no other car I have ever driven.
Dare I way it, for fast road driving a TT would be a far more confident drive. In fact, to be brutally honest on the very twisty roads my old boxster was a lot more fun than the GT3 and probably faster point to point than the GT3 due to its balance and ability to ride the bumps with ease. On the other hand, find a flat piece of tarmac and the GT3 is unbeatable.
Dare I way it, for fast road driving a TT would be a far more confident drive. In fact, to be brutally honest on the very twisty roads my old boxster was a lot more fun than the GT3 and probably faster point to point than the GT3 due to its balance and ability to ride the bumps with ease. On the other hand, find a flat piece of tarmac and the GT3 is unbeatable.
Many thanks to you all.
I already have an M3CSL and a facelift Boxster S.
But I fancy something a lttle more special and even though CSL prices are so damned low, GT3 prices are coming down to leave a sensible price difference.
So I really do value every bit of input I can find.
I would sell the CSL --- and keep the boxster for the reason already mentioned, and the wind in the hair factor.
I already have an M3CSL and a facelift Boxster S.
But I fancy something a lttle more special and even though CSL prices are so damned low, GT3 prices are coming down to leave a sensible price difference.
So I really do value every bit of input I can find.
I would sell the CSL --- and keep the boxster for the reason already mentioned, and the wind in the hair factor.
DaGinge said:
To be honest the GT3 isn't a great car for a spirited road drive - its track focus makes it compromised on the bumpy roads here in blighty and continually asks a lot of the driver to maintain good progress. Only today the car's tendancy to tramline almost wiped me out while overtaking on a narrow b-road. Also during the winter it can be a real handful and aquaplanes like no other car I have ever driven.
Dare I way it, for fast road driving a TT would be a far more confident drive. In fact, to be brutally honest on the very twisty roads my old boxster was a lot more fun than the GT3 and probably faster point to point than the GT3 due to its balance and ability to ride the bumps with ease. On the other hand, find a flat piece of tarmac and the GT3 is unbeatable.
Interesting you say that as its a concern of mine. I was on a spirited run today, and at the end I was wondering if I'd be in a hedge were I in the GT3 I was considering. The state of British country roads is pretty shocking.
Fastest cross country in Britain is never going to be the GT3 CS or even 360 CS.
TT or EVO will pee on them both. But I personally don't tend to 'race' much on UK blacktop, recently I had trouble keeping up with a Citroen VTS. Shameful I know, but he was simply too much of a nutter round the (blind) corners.
TT or EVO will pee on them both. But I personally don't tend to 'race' much on UK blacktop, recently I had trouble keeping up with a Citroen VTS. Shameful I know, but he was simply too much of a nutter round the (blind) corners.
The GT3RS has a softer spring rate than the stadard MK2, It also has better suspension geometry which dials out almost all rear bumpsteer. The two factors combine to make the RS a very good car on the road. /in standard form my RS was shatteringly quick on the road. It is amazing what prior perception can do when you read journalists preferring the MK2 on the road over the RS because the RS is stiffer. It is also an indication of how poor most motoring journalists actually are. On the track, the RS needs stiffer springs and adjustable shock absorbers to release the potenial of the chassis. And there is the rub, because once you've done it, the thing is bloody awful on the road!
There is no doubt that the RS has more potenial on the track than the MK2 but in standard form it is a better road car also. On saying that, is it worth 15k over a 2nd hand MK2?......... No I don't think it is.
If you can afford it, get an RS it's the better car, but pound for pound the MK2 is a better buy.
Steve R
There is no doubt that the RS has more potenial on the track than the MK2 but in standard form it is a better road car also. On saying that, is it worth 15k over a 2nd hand MK2?......... No I don't think it is.
If you can afford it, get an RS it's the better car, but pound for pound the MK2 is a better buy.
Steve R
s3am said:
Fastest cross country in Britain is never going to be the GT3 CS or even 360 CS.
TT or EVO will pee on them both. But I personally don't tend to 'race' much on UK blacktop, recently I had trouble keeping up with a Citroen VTS. Shameful I know, but he was simply too much of a nutter round the (blind) corners.
Hows it compare to the Noble? I was grateful for the compliant ride a couple of times today where something harder sprung might have taken flight. Then again on track I could do with stiffer damping on it, so its all swings and roundabouts.
steve rance said:
The GT3RS has a softer spring rate than the stadard MK2, It also has better suspension geometry which dials out almost all rear bumpsteer. The two factors combine to make the RS a very good car on the road. /in standard form my RS was shatteringly quick on the road. It is amazing what prior perception can do when you read journalists preferring the MK2 on the road over the RS because the RS is stiffer. It is also an indication of how poor most motoring journalists actually are. On the track, the RS needs stiffer springs and adjustable shock absorbers to release the potenial of the chassis. And there is the rub, because once you've done it, the thing is bloody awful on the road!
There is no doubt that the RS has more potenial on the track than the MK2 but in standard form it is a better road car also. On saying that, is it worth 15k over a 2nd hand MK2?......... No I don't think it is.
If you can afford it, get an RS it's the better car, but pound for pound the MK2 is a better buy.
Steve R
When Steve speaks, everyone listens.
>> Edited by Blow Dog on Sunday 15th May 23:59
DanH said:
Hows it compare to the Noble? I was grateful for the compliant ride a couple of times today where something harder sprung might have taken flight. Then again on track I could do with stiffer damping on it, so its all swings and roundabouts.
To my mind the GT3 II has a much less compliant ride. Bear in mind that I also have the pile-friendly comfort setup and it seems to me that the 3R had a far more road tuned setup. IE it felt very sporty on road, but on track the potential had some way to go to be fully unleashed -the GT3 (in my reckoning) is further down that particular path.
Sam
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