Automatic speed limit enforcers - the end!
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Can't believe there isn't a thread on this......yes, I'm viewing this form a petrolhead's perspective, but really? Another bonkers proposal by idiots who spend their entire lives gridlocked inside the M25 or always use public transport and clearly don't think the motorist lobby has any clout....
This is an EU proposal. Didn't we vote to leave? Why then has the Government blindly just said the UK will play along and do the same thing? Have they no clue about what makes people buy cars, thereby ensuring the employment of 10s of thousands of workers in the UK? What happened to personal responsibility? If this comes in, why would anyone do anything other than spend the absolute minimum on a minimum spec car that is happy tootling around everywhere at the automatically enforced speed limits? This would kill the UK automotive manufacturing sector overnight.
When will those Muppets in Westminster realise we don't all live in London? We don't want Big Brother style electronic control - what would be next I wonder? There is a real debate to be had here about personal freedoms and the nanny state.
For me, this would probably be the last straw - I'm already sick of the PC/Nanny State brigade and the way the UK is heading. I think it's emigration for me.......either that or go into politics with a "vote for common sense" platform.
So, no fence sitting for me. What do you all think?
This is an EU proposal. Didn't we vote to leave? Why then has the Government blindly just said the UK will play along and do the same thing? Have they no clue about what makes people buy cars, thereby ensuring the employment of 10s of thousands of workers in the UK? What happened to personal responsibility? If this comes in, why would anyone do anything other than spend the absolute minimum on a minimum spec car that is happy tootling around everywhere at the automatically enforced speed limits? This would kill the UK automotive manufacturing sector overnight.
When will those Muppets in Westminster realise we don't all live in London? We don't want Big Brother style electronic control - what would be next I wonder? There is a real debate to be had here about personal freedoms and the nanny state.
For me, this would probably be the last straw - I'm already sick of the PC/Nanny State brigade and the way the UK is heading. I think it's emigration for me.......either that or go into politics with a "vote for common sense" platform.
So, no fence sitting for me. What do you all think?
completely agree. I think this will be disastrous for the car industry. Particularly the super car manufacturers. I certainly would not buy a car with such a device fitted. Freedom of choice ??? Where are we heading next. Perhaps this is a step towards paving the way for autonomous vehicles. That is my best guess.
Like all technology, people will rely on it, it will fail and there will be a horrible accident.
MOT compliance will become a total nightmare when this stuff starts to go wrong (think ABS, emissions and airbag warning lights).
You know when one lorry tries to overtake another and causes a massive tailback because its speed limiter is 0.01% higher than the one it’s passing? I can’t imagine what bunching and panic braking will do when all cars have (very slightly different) limiters fitted. Yes apparently they will be over-rideable but presumably one too many transgressions and you get a letter and your insurance premium goes up...
MOT compliance will become a total nightmare when this stuff starts to go wrong (think ABS, emissions and airbag warning lights).
You know when one lorry tries to overtake another and causes a massive tailback because its speed limiter is 0.01% higher than the one it’s passing? I can’t imagine what bunching and panic braking will do when all cars have (very slightly different) limiters fitted. Yes apparently they will be over-rideable but presumably one too many transgressions and you get a letter and your insurance premium goes up...
Chubbyross said:
We should all just enjoy our cars, use them as the designers intended and stop worrying about the miles and depreciation. They’ll all be taxed or legislated off the roads within twenty years.
If I may, that's akin to throwing in the towel without a fight! They will unless the motoring lobby wakes up and acts in a concerted fashion. Politicians only understand votes so we need to act. The ABD should be making a huge noise about this with an online petition........We don't like lobbying, protesting or confrontation. We're not like the French.
I do business with quite a lot of Europeans, and they frequently ask why we spend so much money on our cars, and yet tolerate such terrible roads.
They can't believe how much time we spend in traffic, the delays caused by roadworks, when no one is actually doing anything, and worst of all, the potholes and patchwork broken asphalt.
We might mutter over our beer, or angst on internet forums, but will just drift into whatever our brilliant politicians decide.
I do business with quite a lot of Europeans, and they frequently ask why we spend so much money on our cars, and yet tolerate such terrible roads.
They can't believe how much time we spend in traffic, the delays caused by roadworks, when no one is actually doing anything, and worst of all, the potholes and patchwork broken asphalt.
We might mutter over our beer, or angst on internet forums, but will just drift into whatever our brilliant politicians decide.
GTSjohn said:
Chubbyross said:
We should all just enjoy our cars, use them as the designers intended and stop worrying about the miles and depreciation. They’ll all be taxed or legislated off the roads within twenty years.
If I may, that's akin to throwing in the towel without a fight! They will unless the motoring lobby wakes up and acts in a concerted fashion. Politicians only understand votes so we need to act. The ABD should be making a huge noise about this with an online petition........Chubbyross said:
I’ll be interested to see what happens to petrol prices over the next few years - will they go up or down as electric vehicles become more prolific?
The anti plastics lobby and the rise of city electric cars must make a huge change for the oil refiners ? I can see golden years ahead as we revel in our quaint hobby of ICE cars and no limiters !
It will have a button to turn it off...
from Autocar
Avery also cited the value of intelligent speed assistance systems but added that he feels it’s important the EU has ruled such systems must be overridable, saying: “Drivers like the vehicle to know what the set limit is but also like to have ultimate control of their vehicle’s speed.”
If approved, the new legislation will apply to all new cars sold within the EU. While Britain’s planned departure from the EU means those laws won’t apply here, the UK government has hinted that it will keep vehicle safety standards closely aligned with Europe. The complexity of car production means that such systems would likely be fitted to UK models produced for the wider European market in any instance.
Daily Mail type scaremongering
from Autocar
Avery also cited the value of intelligent speed assistance systems but added that he feels it’s important the EU has ruled such systems must be overridable, saying: “Drivers like the vehicle to know what the set limit is but also like to have ultimate control of their vehicle’s speed.”
If approved, the new legislation will apply to all new cars sold within the EU. While Britain’s planned departure from the EU means those laws won’t apply here, the UK government has hinted that it will keep vehicle safety standards closely aligned with Europe. The complexity of car production means that such systems would likely be fitted to UK models produced for the wider European market in any instance.
Daily Mail type scaremongering
anonymous said:
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Exactly this. I cover a lot of miles every year, and the standard of driving that I see in the UK is truly dreadful. Fully autonomous cars with no human driver will be a huge step forward for safety and speed. The downside is that they're going to totally kill off our enjoyment of driving. For me, the nightmare car is the one with some automated features - e.g. speed limiters that the driver can't control, lane departure systems etc. The latest lane departure systems actually 'nudge' the steering wheel to bring the car back into its lane - great when you're aiming for a slip road, and the car tries to push you back into lane 1 (had this happen to me in a hire car a few weeks ago - empty road so didn't bother indicating). My wife's car will also automatically brake if it thinks you're too close to the car in front, and does this is someone pulls out into the gap in front of you on a motorway, sometimes quite forcefully. Unfortunately, it doesn't check its mirrors before applying the brake.
My own view is that the car should be either fully autonomous, or fully human controlled. The 'halfway house' is going to become increasingly hazardous in future, especially if it ever leads to a scenario where the driver thinks that the car is driving, but the car thinks that the driver is in control - with the result that no-one is in control. Aviation has shown us the hazards of control systems that can override the pilot (Paris airshow A320 crash, 737 Max MCAS system are two examples). I think some care is needed to ensure that automotive 'safety' systems don't cause similar issues on the roads.
Chubbyross said:
I’m not advocating throwing any towel in quite yet but we have to accept the reality of global warming and think of the bigger picture. I was possibly being over dramatic when I suggested all ICE cars will be legislated off the roads but they’re going to become hobbies in the not too distant future. I was simply suggesting that we should enjoy them as much as possible right now, rather than worry about values etc. I’ll be interested to see what happens to petrol prices over the next few years - will they go up or down as electric vehicles become more prolific?
Whatever we do, whenever we do it, one certainty is that at some time in the future all human life on earth will cease to be. This could be in 100 years or 10,000 but a catastrophic event, or a more gradual decline, will kill us all. So... what does it matter when that is? Might as well kill us all today rather than in 30 generations time. That means global warming is irrelevant. Live for today, for tomorrow we die.As for autonomous cars, they may well be our saving grace as they kill off the motoring population stupid enough to get in something not connected to rails or to a huge expanse of 3D highway (as with aircraft). But of course the increase in RTCs and death will see them withdrawn fairly swiftly. Imagine collecting your new car and heading off into London's rush hour with no driver input. Imagine all of London's drivers collecting their new autonomous cars at the same time and doing the same. Car-Nage.
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