Porsche Impact
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wep_howard

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7 posts

77 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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Hi guys,

Yesterday I read an article in the Automobilwoche about the factory opening of the Taycan. It mentioned that the Taycan is manufactured CO2-neutral. I found it very interesting and checked what else Porsche is doing in the context of CO2 reduction. At the same time, I was very surprised about all the different projects in procurement, logistics and transport. For me, Porsche Impact (https://www.porsche.com/uk/aboutporsche/responsibility/porscheimpact/) was completely new.. its about compensating your CO2 emissions. I only knew this from flying so far. Lufthansa also has a new project called: compensaid

What do you guys think of Porsche Impact? I think its a good idea, but in my opinion it lacks more options to choose different projects

Edited by wep_howard on Monday 16th September 07:14


Edited by wep_howard on Monday 16th September 08:35

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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Depends if you buy the whole 'man-made' climate change thing I guess

anonymous-user

76 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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browngt3 said:
Depends if you buy the whole 'man-made' climate change thing I guess
As in science?

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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Yes, as in "science"

Taffy66

5,964 posts

124 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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browngt3 said:
Depends if you buy the whole 'man-made' climate change thing I guess
As far as man burning huge swathes of the Brazilian Amazon rain forest it is 'man-made'..Over 87.000 fires there in the first eight months of 2019 and 7.200 square miles burnt off in July 2019 alone..

anonymous-user

76 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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I would ask the question, why are Porsche doing this?

What are Porsche getting from this, not saying it is a bad thing just trying to understand their motivation as lets be honest making cars (IC or Electric) isn't an environmentally friendly thing to do in the first place.

As for carbon neutral manufacturing, rather missing point isn't it and I think designed to make customers think Porsche are eco-friendly. Toyota did all this with the Prius manufacturing plant along with oxygen generating paint to try and make it carbon neutral.

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Taffy66 said:
As far as man burning huge swathes of the Brazilian Amazon rain forest it is 'man-made'..Over 87.000 fires there in the first eight months of 2019 and 7.200 square miles burnt off in July 2019 alone..
Given the barely measurable 'man-made' content of CO2 in the atmosphere,how much of a contribution is even this? The clearances have been receiving a lot of negative media attention because they don't like the new right wing Government. However, they're an annual event and seasonal. Obviously there are many illegal fires but given the vastness of the Amazon extremely difficult to Police. Also, worth noting since the Spanish arrived 500 years ago some 80% of the rainforest remains. How much European forest remains?

Have to say, I don't condone what is going on but its a complex problem. The people there are very poor for example. Just trying to show there's often more than one side to a story. Unfortunately, the mainstream media are not balanced when it comes to this topic.

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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gottans said:
I would ask the question, why are Porsche doing this?
It's corporate virtue signalling

RDMcG

20,380 posts

229 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Investors,regulators , customers are all getting more concerned about the environment. Does not matter whether people believe in man-made or not.

Thus this is a smart move by Porsche.

anonymous-user

76 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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browngt3 said:
gottans said:
I would ask the question, why are Porsche doing this?
It's corporate virtue signalling
Seems a bit like the coal industry extolling their environmental benefits. More corporate window dressing to obfuscate the real problem in my book.

Oilchange

9,526 posts

282 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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So they can sell more cars. Which in itself is ‘killing the planet’.

drjdog

345 posts

92 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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browngt3 said:
Have to say, I don't condone what is going on but its a complex problem. The people there are very poor for example. Just trying to show there's often more than one side to a story. Unfortunately, the mainstream media are not balanced when it comes to this topic.
Given that anthropomorphic global warming is undeniable by all but a tiny few (even the oil companies are admitting they've known about it for decades), what would balanced look like?

If you're getting your news from sources that deny man made climate change, your world view must be fairly odd.

Oilchange

9,526 posts

282 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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drjdog said:
Given that anthropomorphic global warming is undeniable by all but a tiny few (even the oil companies are admitting they've known about it for decades), what would balanced look like?

If you're getting your news from sources that deny man made climate change, your world view must be fairly odd.
Great! Global warming is now taking on the form of man! Big blokes running around on fire or something...
Its your view thats odd if this is the case

Do you mean anthropogenic global warming? ... caused by man?

ras62

1,110 posts

178 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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drjdog said:
browngt3 said:
Have to say, I don't condone what is going on but its a complex problem. The people there are very poor for example. Just trying to show there's often more than one side to a story. Unfortunately, the mainstream media are not balanced when it comes to this topic.
Given that anthropomorphic global warming is undeniable by all but a tiny few (even the oil companies are admitting they've known about it for decades), what would balanced look like?

If you're getting your news from sources that deny man made climate change, your world view must be fairly odd.
Global warming agenda has been pushed in the news for maybe 100 years, it really is nothing new. The climate has always changed and always will and the caused by mankind argument is based on very shakey data and a lot of propaganda. One large volcano erupting has a much greater impact on CO2 emmisions than mankind has contributed in a century. You know its BS when the politicians support the idea as another sourse of income.

Edited by ras62 on Sunday 15th September 18:08

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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drjdog said:
Given that anthropomorphic global warming is undeniable by all but a tiny few (even the oil companies are admitting they've known about it for decades), what would balanced look like?

If you're getting your news from sources that deny man made climate change, your world view must be fairly odd.
Well I guess there's the majority informed by the over simplistic and politicised mass media. And the tiny few who carefully research both sides of the argument which must look fairly odd to the uninformed

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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ras62 said:
Global warming agenda has been pushed in the news for maybe 100 years, it really is nothing new. The climate has always changed and always will and the caused by mankind argument is based on very shakey data and a lot of propaganda. One large volcano erupting has a much greater impact on CO2 emmisions than mankind has contributed in a century. You know its BS when the politicians support the idea as another source of income.

Edited by ras62 on Sunday 15th September 18:08
Completely agree. Of course governments love the idea, they have a great reason to increase our taxes!

wep_howard

Original Poster:

7 posts

77 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Oilchange said:
So they can sell more cars. Which in itself is ‘killing the planet’.
Porsche itself doesn't gain anything from this, if you want to donate something they will send you to SouthPole.

Dr S

5,093 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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browngt3 said:
ras62 said:
Global warming agenda has been pushed in the news for maybe 100 years, it really is nothing new. The climate has always changed and always will and the caused by mankind argument is based on very shakey data and a lot of propaganda. One large volcano erupting has a much greater impact on CO2 emmisions than mankind has contributed in a century. You know its BS when the politicians support the idea as another source of income.

Edited by ras62 on Sunday 15th September 18:08
Completely agree. Of course governments love the idea, they have a great reason to increase our taxes!
In the 70s there was the fear of a coming next ice age - the opposite of global warming.

Bullet-Proof_Biscuit

1,058 posts

99 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Dr S said:
In the 70s there was the fear of a coming next ice age - the opposite of global warming.
Here's some irony for you; global warming causes ice ages.. wink

Hint; atmospheric heat melts polar snow/ice, less polar ice = lower albedo (more heat absorbed) = more heat absorbed (less polar snow/ice).
Melted polar snow/ice = diluted / disrupted / changed ocean conveyors.
Ocean conveyors move heat energy from equator to keep poles warm.
No conveyors to convey heat to the poles = cold poles.

NB: last time the ocean conveyors stopped, the northern hemisphere glaciated within 18 months....

Source; Any peer reviewed climate model scientific paper ever.

browngt3

1,431 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
Dr S said:
In the 70s there was the fear of a coming next ice age - the opposite of global warming.
Here's some irony for you; global warming causes ice ages.. wink

Hint; atmospheric heat melts polar snow/ice, less polar ice = lower albedo (more heat absorbed) = more heat absorbed (less polar snow/ice).
Melted polar snow/ice = diluted / disrupted / changed ocean conveyors.
Ocean conveyors move heat energy from equator to keep poles warm.
No conveyors to convey heat to the poles = cold poles.

NB: last time the ocean conveyors stopped, the northern hemisphere glaciated within 18 months....

Source; Any peer reviewed climate model scientific paper ever.
I don't remember the global warming propagandists linking any predicted ice age to man made climate change. You're slightly condescending account of ocean conveyors might of course still apply whether or not climate change is man made.