Porsche to go 100% electric...911 to be last ICE car

[RDMcG]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-22...


Well.....when the last ICE 911 rolls off the assembly line it will be a very sad day.

[LimaDelta]

Surely it will just ensure the residual value of the ICE cars? Isn't that what the modern Porsche buying experience is all about?

[RDMcG]

LimaDelta said:

Surely it will just ensure the residual value of the ICE cars? Isn't that what the modern Porsche buying experience is all about?

Would be nice and possibly for a limited period, but in the end it will just become unfashionable to drive ICE cars. I recall when cigarette smoking was widely accepted, pubs were full of smoke. People had coal fires at home.
It all seemed normal at the time.

It did not take all that much time for things to change so much. I love ICE Porsches and have driven them for many years, but I have a feeling that the world in 20 years time will not be kind to them, and driving an ICE car will be like smoking, with people waving their arms and complaining about their lungs.

[LimaDelta]

RDMcG said:

LimaDelta said:

Surely it will just ensure the residual value of the ICE cars? Isn't that what the modern Porsche buying experience is all about?

Would be nice and possibly for a limited period, but in the end it will just become unfashionable to drive ICE cars. I recall when cigarette smoking was widely accepted, pubs were full of smoke. People had coal fires at home.
It all seemed normal at the time.

It did not take all that much time for things to change so much. I love ICE Porsches and have driven them for many years, but I have a feeling that the world in 20 years time will not be kind to them, and driving an ICE car will be like smoking, with people waving their arms and complaining about their lungs.

My comment was (slightly) tongue-in-cheek, but I do honestly feel there will always be a place for ICE cars. Just look around at the vintage and historic vehicles today which are still being enjoyed. They certainly won't be commonplace, and it will probably not be possible to drive them in towns and cities, but won't disappear, and for sure collectors will still want to own them even just to look at and appreciate 'the good old days'.

I think it was Jay Leno who said something about the advent of the steam engine meant that horses stopped being beasts of burden and became something to enjoy. Electric cars will do the same for the ICE. 99% of driving will be electric, but some people will still enjoy driving 'old' 911s just like today there are still people who spend their weekend taking traction engines to steam fairs.

[RDMcG]

LimaDelta said:

My comment was (slightly) tongue-in-cheek, but I do honestly feel there will always be a place for ICE cars. Just look around at the vintage and historic vehicles today which are still being enjoyed. They certainly won't be commonplace, and it will probably not be possible to drive them in towns and cities, but won't disappear, and for sure collectors will still want to own them even just to look at and appreciate 'the good old days'.

I think it was Jay Leno who said something about the advent of the steam engine meant that horses stopped being beasts of burden and became something to enjoy. Electric cars will do the same for the ICE. 99% of driving will be electric, but some people will still enjoy driving 'old' 911s just like today there are still people who spend their weekend taking traction engines to steam fairs.

I think that is true, but regulations will limit annual miles and locations. There will be collector cars, but I would think the more ordinary Porsches will gradually become worthless. There are huge numbers of them because of the survival rate.

Something like a Carrera GT will probably be OK. Emissions regs in cities will also strangle them.

I am not banking on my Porsches as a potential for profit. Still, will not happen tomorrow and until them I will have some fun.

[Cheib]

RDMcG said:

I think that is true, but regulations will limit annual miles and locations. There will be collector cars, but I would think the more ordinary Porsches will gradually become worthless. There are huge numbers of them because of the survival rate.

Something like a Carrera GT will probably be OK. Emissions regs in cities will also strangle them.

I am not banking on my Porsches as a potential for profit. Still, will not happen tomorrow and until them I will have some fun.

Sadly I think you’re right in the medium term....whilst the majority of the population have ICE propelled cars and electric cars remain expensive I don’t think this will happen but in say 15 years time I can see anything with a petrol engine having very expensive road tax....being banned from major cities will happen much.much qiuicker though. My understanding is that the next real change for electric cars will be cheaper batteries rather than a big increase in range.

When Electric cars cost the same to buy as an ICE car they will just become the default....don’t actually think legislation will be needed at that point. Networks of fast chargers will come which will deal with the range issues.

[Andyoz]

LimaDelta said:

My comment was (slightly) tongue-in-cheek, but I do honestly feel there will always be a place for ICE cars. Just look around at the vintage and historic vehicles today which are still being enjoyed. They certainly won't be commonplace, and it will probably not be possible to drive them in towns and cities, but won't disappear, and for sure collectors will still want to own them even just to look at and appreciate 'the good old days'.

I think it was Jay Leno who said something about the advent of the steam engine meant that horses stopped being beasts of burden and became something to enjoy. Electric cars will do the same for the ICE. 99% of driving will be electric, but some people will still enjoy driving 'old' 911s just like today there are still people who spend their weekend taking traction engines to steam fairs.

I agree and if that's the case there will be alot of 'collectors' cars looking for a home as for many it may be too expensive to keep them on the road...taxes etc.

I think it could turn into a buyer's market within 10 years so anyone with a Porsche GT etc...just drive them NOW

[RDMcG]

Andyoz said:

I think it could turn into a buyer's market within 10 years so anyone with a Porsche GT etc...just drive them NOW

Precisely what I am doing!.

[Andyoz]

RDMcG said:

Precisely what I am doing!.

This changeover is driven by technology and not straight engineering this time and that can generate step changes.

Manufacturers will be using the 'safety' angle to push electric cars with full or partial automation.

It will be like trying to send your wife and kids off for a long drive in a car without airbags today. You've got the likes of Tesla that don't play by the normal car manufacturers rules developed over a the last 80+ years.

[supersport]

Andyoz said:

This changeover is driven by technology and not straight engineering this time and that can generate step changes.

Manufacturers will be using the 'safety' angle to push electric cars with full or partial automation.

It will be like trying to send your wife and kids off for a long drive in a car without airbags today. You've got the likes of Tesla that don't play by the normal car manufacturers rules developed over a the last 80+ years.

Have happily transported my wife and child for long journeys in a 911 with out air bags, or any other modern safety system.

Never really considered it edgy or out there. Bloody good fun is what it was.

Using a petrol powered car will be no different, they are going to be around for a long time yet. There are still great swathes of our country where electric makes no sense. These places don’t have broadband, some don’t have mobile signals. Electric charging will not be going there either.

Autonomous is a very long time off, especially for any road that isn’t straight.

UntIl then keep

[anonymous-user]

Things are changing unfortunately, already Teslas are the new status symbol but it will be a fair while before ICE cars become outnumbered by electric cars and any banning in the foreseeable future nationwide would cause an uproar, driving in cities is a different matter of course as we've seen already.
We can only hope that Jeremy 'no fun aloud' Corbyn is kept out of number 10 as I think he would be no friend of the motorist especially nice sports cars.

[hyphen]

RDMcG said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-22...


Well.....when the last ICE 911 rolls off the assembly line it will be a very sad day.

You know thats old news? Porsche CEO said that a month or so ago at the Taycan launch interviews.

[matrignano]

hyphen said:

You know thats old news? Porsche CEO said that a month or so ago at the Taycan launch interviews.

The article also says that all new Porsches will have a plug. I.e. hybrids or full electric
It doesn’t say that the ICE is disappearing altogether

[roca1976]

The electrical distribution network will need massive investment to support the ultra fast 250kW chargers (which undoubtedly will need to get quicker when 30 mins charging time isn't acceptable).

[tedblog]

roca1976 said:

The electrical distribution network will need massive investment to support the ultra fast 250kW chargers (which undoubtedly will need to get quicker when 30 mins charging time isn't acceptable).

It sure does, but the private sector is reluctant to invest in the multi million inferstructure as no one is sure if electric is the future? If they crack fussion and hydrogen then electric is obsolete.

[Andyoz]

supersport said:

Andyoz said:

This changeover is driven by technology and not straight engineering this time and that can generate step changes.

Manufacturers will be using the 'safety' angle to push electric cars with full or partial automation.

It will be like trying to send your wife and kids off for a long drive in a car without airbags today. You've got the likes of Tesla that don't play by the normal car manufacturers rules developed over a the last 80+ years.

Have happily transported my wife and child for long journeys in a 911 with out air bags, or any other modern safety system.

Never really considered it edgy or out there. Bloody good fun is what it was.

Using a petrol powered car will be no different, they are going to be around for a long time yet. There are still great swathes of our country where electric makes no sense. These places don’t have broadband, some don’t have mobile signals. Electric charging will not be going there either.

Autonomous is a very long time off, especially for any road that isn’t straight.

UntIl then keep

Does your wife's car not have airbags either...that's the question...

[Murph7355]

supersport said:

....
Autonomous is a very long time off, especially for any road that isn’t straight. ...

I agree.

If we can't even automate the Tube/national rail network, how on Earth are we going to be able to make cars do the same feat...

Tech isn't the limiting factor any more really. Liability is.

[RDMcG]

I completely agree re autonomous being a long way away, but I think electric will dominate in ten years

[LimaDelta]

RDMcG said:

I completely agree re autonomous being a long way away, but I think electric will dominate in ten years

Fully autonomous? We already have adaptive cruise, lane departure warnings, lane keeping assistance, automatic braking, pedestrian detection, self-parking, car summoning, door-to-door nav.

Our cars are already most of the way there. Full automation is closer than you think IMHO.

[hunter 66]

Yes sadly could see this , having a GT3RS and a Tesla in the house , it is the future route , in 10 years probably hard to find a Petrol station