Desperate for a GT3
Discussion
After bedford on thursday and having GT3's all over me in my X50 im thinking of acquiring one for track use.I couldnt believe how much better they corner over the tt, the only time i had an advantage was on the straights. I would prefer an RS and have looked on the opc site but it does not list the price for the RS. Could you let me know what they are new and are they worth the extra over the std GT3. Do you think a new second hand one would be a better option as i will be keeping the tt.Also how many track days would you get from the discs and pads?
Cheers
>> Edited by t urbo on Monday 13th June 20:45
Cheers
>> Edited by t urbo on Monday 13th June 20:45
I was at Bedford Thursday.....
I have turbo (cab) aswell as GT3, the GT3 puts a smile on my face every time i drive it, the turbo just feels like a fast Boxster, nothing against Boxsters, but for over twice the price, it's very expensive.
If you can afford to run both, then perfect, as they cover both ends of the road/track spectrum brilliantly.
An RS is a little quicker than a standard MKII, but not £12-£15k quicker IMHO
A well set up MKII with Manthey/JRZ suspension (£4-£5k)
will sit very well with an RS.
MKII prices are a bit funny at the mo' so there are bargains to be had.
Some people are asking some silly money still for RS's, but i have heard of a few reasonable priced ones starting to appear.
Avoid Carbon brakes.
I have turbo (cab) aswell as GT3, the GT3 puts a smile on my face every time i drive it, the turbo just feels like a fast Boxster, nothing against Boxsters, but for over twice the price, it's very expensive.
If you can afford to run both, then perfect, as they cover both ends of the road/track spectrum brilliantly.
An RS is a little quicker than a standard MKII, but not £12-£15k quicker IMHO
A well set up MKII with Manthey/JRZ suspension (£4-£5k)
will sit very well with an RS.
MKII prices are a bit funny at the mo' so there are bargains to be had.
Some people are asking some silly money still for RS's, but i have heard of a few reasonable priced ones starting to appear.
Avoid Carbon brakes.
Cheers Glenn,
I cant stop thinking about the cornering ability of those cars. On top of that i hit a rabbit on thursday and its caused a fair amount of damage to the car and im thinking that after spending 104k on it i should be using it more for the road rather than track.
Do you think it would be wise to buy a used GT3 as i reckon theve all been tracked at some point. Im looking at a max 1 year old one?
I cant stop thinking about the cornering ability of those cars. On top of that i hit a rabbit on thursday and its caused a fair amount of damage to the car and im thinking that after spending 104k on it i should be using it more for the road rather than track.
Do you think it would be wise to buy a used GT3 as i reckon theve all been tracked at some point. Im looking at a max 1 year old one?
t urbo said:
Cheers Glenn,
I cant stop thinking about the cornering ability of those cars. On top of that i hit a rabbit on thursday and its caused a fair amount of damage to the car and im thinking that after spending 104k on it i should be using it more for the road rather than track.
Do you think it would be wise to buy a used GT3 as i reckon theve all been tracked at some point. Im looking at a max 1 year old one?
You'll be very hard pushed to find a car that hasn't at least seen a bit of track action.
These cars are just bullet proof, i still see plenty of older MKI's being nailed time after time without missing a beat.
The only important thing is to check it has been serviced regularly, and if it has seen more than a little track use, proof of extra oil and gear box oil changes should be sought, but that's about all.
Don't be put off of a car that has not got OPC service history either, as some of the specialists out there do a much better job, and know the car better than any OPC, but as i say, make sure they're a specialist.
If you do get one, i guarantee you'll never want to stop driving it, as it is as pure as it gets !!!
G.
t_urbo, if you want a track car and already have a 996, why not get something lightweight like a Radical/Caterham/Atom? It will be much cheaper on all the regular consumables like tyres, discs and pads.
I had a Mk1 GT3 for 2 years but good as it was for a road car, the Radical is miles ahead in driver involvement/satisfaction. Think of the driving gap between a Ford Focus and GT3 - you have a similar gap from GT3 to Radical.
I had a Mk1 GT3 for 2 years but good as it was for a road car, the Radical is miles ahead in driver involvement/satisfaction. Think of the driving gap between a Ford Focus and GT3 - you have a similar gap from GT3 to Radical.
AL001 said:
t_urbo, if you want a track car and already have a 996, why not get something lightweight like a Radical/Caterham/Atom? It will be much cheaper on all the regular consumables like tyres, discs and pads.
I had a Mk1 GT3 for 2 years but good as it was for a road car, the Radical is miles ahead in driver involvement/satisfaction. Think of the driving gap between a Ford Focus and GT3 - you have a similar gap from GT3 to Radical.
Theres an argument that radicals are pointless on track days though. They are just too fast, so you end up stuck behind people at every corner. They also flatter crap drivers as even if you are a slow pilot you are still quick
I'm sure the cornering speed is addictive though.
Drove both GT3 and RS.
According to Steve Rance the supension of the RS though 10mm lower is also softer and better for the road.
Those who have lost the front splitter on their GT3's may choose to disagree.
I have the GT3 I chose set up for the road with maximum ground clearance and the softest anti-roll bar settings, --- quite nice for every day use.
I had thought that I would not track it --- mechanical sympathy and a phobia for binning a set of tyres of a Sunday, but it truthfully does feel asif it's up for it. I think it's the brakes that make the difference over my previus CSL.
The paradox. Most RS's seem to have carbon brakes which less experienced drivers will trash --- and more experienced drivers will panic about (at £20k for a replacement set).
But on the road they are fantastic --- where I am assuming they are not at risk ! Hence my GT3 has the carbon brakes which cost me almost nothing, and which I love.
No more rusted discs !
The final decider was appearance. Just couldn't reconcile Essex White and the carbon tea tray on the RS.
On the road performance difference, indistinguishable.
Saw a very nice RS in Porsche Silverstone on Friday at £78.5 ish --- at £74 this would be good value. New cost £90k ish.
An equivalent GT3 would have been around £65k, so the original £15k difference seems to be down to around £10k and maybe it will narrow further.
GT3's --- 240 ? RS's --- 100 ? Neither are high volume !
According to Steve Rance the supension of the RS though 10mm lower is also softer and better for the road.
Those who have lost the front splitter on their GT3's may choose to disagree.
I have the GT3 I chose set up for the road with maximum ground clearance and the softest anti-roll bar settings, --- quite nice for every day use.
I had thought that I would not track it --- mechanical sympathy and a phobia for binning a set of tyres of a Sunday, but it truthfully does feel asif it's up for it. I think it's the brakes that make the difference over my previus CSL.
The paradox. Most RS's seem to have carbon brakes which less experienced drivers will trash --- and more experienced drivers will panic about (at £20k for a replacement set).
But on the road they are fantastic --- where I am assuming they are not at risk ! Hence my GT3 has the carbon brakes which cost me almost nothing, and which I love.
No more rusted discs !
The final decider was appearance. Just couldn't reconcile Essex White and the carbon tea tray on the RS.
On the road performance difference, indistinguishable.
Saw a very nice RS in Porsche Silverstone on Friday at £78.5 ish --- at £74 this would be good value. New cost £90k ish.
An equivalent GT3 would have been around £65k, so the original £15k difference seems to be down to around £10k and maybe it will narrow further.
GT3's --- 240 ? RS's --- 100 ? Neither are high volume !
Chris,
how does the CSL compare to the GT3 with regards to its ability? Problem is the GT3 is a much better looking car with more presence IMHO.
When i told the missus im thinking about a GT3 she went f***ing crazy, i thought i was going to have to section her under the mental health act. Still, hasnt put me off.
how does the CSL compare to the GT3 with regards to its ability? Problem is the GT3 is a much better looking car with more presence IMHO.
When i told the missus im thinking about a GT3 she went f***ing crazy, i thought i was going to have to section her under the mental health act. Still, hasnt put me off.
t urbo said:
When i told the missus im thinking about a GT3 she went f***ing crazy, i thought i was going to have to section her under the mental health act.
seriously though... leave her. men don't need that sort of grief and back chat. i saw your turbo at bedford... aren't you the guy who was talking about running on thread-bare tyres?
t urbo said:
how does the CSL compare to the GT3 with regards to its ability?
On track, unless one or other was in vastly more skilled hands, I would say they're pretty inseperable as standard. Possibly GT3 (mine's mk2) is slightly faster out of the box.
CSL better balanced on the brakes, GT3's more outright stoping power. CSL less understeer at corner entry, GT3 better traction and power on corner exit.
Bear in mind theses are amateur assesments on non fiddled with cars. Though my brother's CSL has just had uprated fluid/pads/lines hence why I was a Parr the other day.
Turbo, I can only speak for on the road use.
The lack of driver aids -- DSC or PSM on the GT3 is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Personally I prefer to make my own intervention, and feel that in anything less than M-track mode the BMW Dsc intervenes too soon.
The bobbing nose of the GT3 makes for huge character, the CSL being much easier to drive but maybe slightly anodyne by comparison.
Maybe the CSL is is little more Mr Gadget than the GT3 which is more "basic".
But nobody should knock the ultimate handling or performance of the CSL.
Out of the box for anything more than road use the CSL brakes need attention --- and although on the road the initial bite is good, they don't feel to have the staying power of the Porsche stoppers.
Put it this way. I believe a CSL to GT3 move to be a significant step up. I don't know anybody who would say that the reverese move would be anything but a step down.
But then think of the money .... CSL's are very good value !
The lack of driver aids -- DSC or PSM on the GT3 is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Personally I prefer to make my own intervention, and feel that in anything less than M-track mode the BMW Dsc intervenes too soon.
The bobbing nose of the GT3 makes for huge character, the CSL being much easier to drive but maybe slightly anodyne by comparison.
Maybe the CSL is is little more Mr Gadget than the GT3 which is more "basic".
But nobody should knock the ultimate handling or performance of the CSL.
Out of the box for anything more than road use the CSL brakes need attention --- and although on the road the initial bite is good, they don't feel to have the staying power of the Porsche stoppers.
Put it this way. I believe a CSL to GT3 move to be a significant step up. I don't know anybody who would say that the reverese move would be anything but a step down.
But then think of the money .... CSL's are very good value !
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