that Carrera GT at RSJ...
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I think Joel was selling on behalf of a customer, so it could get removed at any time. It may have been sold somewhere else, I suppose.
Traders, in my experience, don't like tying up so much money in a single car as it's a bigger risk for them, so I doubt he bought it outright.
Certainly the Carrera GTs don't seem to be fetching much of a premium over list.
Traders, in my experience, don't like tying up so much money in a single car as it's a bigger risk for them, so I doubt he bought it outright.
Certainly the Carrera GTs don't seem to be fetching much of a premium over list.
Indeed, they seem to be fetching rather much of a discount.
It has been interesting, at least to me, to ponder why there has been quite as much pressure on CGT prices as there has been.
Partly, I suppose, because it came out at about the same time as the SLR, Ford GT, Enzo, plus the oddballs such as K'egg, Pagani, etc.
Partly because some people think it looks like a Boxster, or because the interior is less different from 996-series than people would have hoped.
Partly because its home market is in terrible shape.
Partly because it has a supercar's typically minimal luggage space, and has low front clearance.
Perhaps partly because Porsche has not had a factory race programme for too many years.
I gather that the production limit for the CGT has been reduced from 1500 cars to 1250. That may help a bit.
If anybody can afford one of these cars, now or in future when prices may decline further, I would strongly encourage him or her to go for it. It is a truly great driving machine in every respect.
It has been interesting, at least to me, to ponder why there has been quite as much pressure on CGT prices as there has been.
Partly, I suppose, because it came out at about the same time as the SLR, Ford GT, Enzo, plus the oddballs such as K'egg, Pagani, etc.
Partly because some people think it looks like a Boxster, or because the interior is less different from 996-series than people would have hoped.
Partly because its home market is in terrible shape.
Partly because it has a supercar's typically minimal luggage space, and has low front clearance.
Perhaps partly because Porsche has not had a factory race programme for too many years.
I gather that the production limit for the CGT has been reduced from 1500 cars to 1250. That may help a bit.
If anybody can afford one of these cars, now or in future when prices may decline further, I would strongly encourage him or her to go for it. It is a truly great driving machine in every respect.
DanH said:
Its way out my range, but for me it looks a bit anodyne to be competing with some fantastic looking cars at that level. I guess it depends on how many people buy these cars for performance, as opposed to bling.
See and hear it in the metal, and anodyne is not a word that immediately springs to mind, IMHO of course...
I believe the production number was lowered only because the car won't comply with the new emissions regulations (later this year?) and would be too expensive to reengineer.
If and when they fall to a more affordable level of ownership, perhaps midway between beginning with a 1 and 2 at some point, then I will gladly give my left testicle and whichever other body parts I can spare at the time to own one.
If and when they fall to a more affordable level of ownership, perhaps midway between beginning with a 1 and 2 at some point, then I will gladly give my left testicle and whichever other body parts I can spare at the time to own one.
DanH said:Its best angle is perhaps the side profile, which is also true for the Enzo (I can't believe I said that).
Its way out my range, but for me it looks a bit anodyne to be competing with some fantastic looking cars at that level. I guess it depends on how many people buy these cars for performance, as opposed to bling.
The magazine photos tend not to show the Zagato-like double-bubble roof, which is a lovely feature.
The contours of the rear haunches are beautiful.
It does look rather drab from the front, it must be said.
The interior is actually fairly nice, and the flying-buttress-style central console is different.
Nonetheless, as regular readers of a Porsche forum will appreciate more than most, the real beauty is in the driving.
The potentially massive expense of parts doesn't help either.
However the main factor in my opinion is that very few cars in the world can retain values above £100k. Ferrari does uniquely, as they have such a massive collector base. Porsche are simply not collected in the same way by the same people. Look at the 959 as an example, only circa 270 made, yet they are worth much less than the 1500-odd F40s made (their contemporary rival).
The CGTs value is in it's engineering and driving, but this is not what a lot of 'Ferrari-type' collectors will ever appreciate, as the majority (though not all)view their cars as investments and for polishing and shows (this is evidenced by how few Ferraris are ever at trackdays).......
Was supprised that the 500 mile & spanked CGT got £184k (£186k with fees) at auction tho, given the panels alone added up to approx £50k & the stigma (in the UK at least) of being a cat D spanker.
Still Goff is no fool, so no doubt he will still be making a pretty penny or three on it.
>> Edited by iguana on Tuesday 21st June 20:24
Still Goff is no fool, so no doubt he will still be making a pretty penny or three on it.
>> Edited by iguana on Tuesday 21st June 20:24
DanH said:Dan,
As you say, I'm sure its a magnificent drivers tool, but as I postulated, how relevant is that at these rarified levels?
Alas, you are probably right, although I think I have seen nearly as many CGTs at the 'Ring as I have seen 360s. When you consider the price and build number differences between the cars, you would expect the ratio to be maybe one-to-fifty.
There are some CGTs that get driven properly. It is one of the rare road cars that actually were conceived as racers and only later adapted for serious road use.
robbom3 said:The carbon tub and rear chassis were as well (although not the geometry, of course). This is why the thing is so competent.
There are some CGTs that get driven properly. It is one of the rare road cars that actually were conceived as racers and only later adapted for serious road use.
I thought it was only the engine that was originally intended as a racer, not the whole car ???
Porsche have always been understated,form follows function etc.The gt is probably the most practical super car!
A guy in the states has just put a new clutch in one,porsche wriggled out of the warranty,cost 7k .
One car has just sold in florida for 202k £ ,and i have just looked at one for 240k,uk car 1 owner and 1k miles,warranty etc
I cant believe any one would pay the 186k+commision etc for a cat d car.I costed the major parts to repair that car,with out labour and paint etc,i was at nearly 50k!!
I had porsche offer me 10% discount on the parts,as they only get 20% discount from the factory.
A guy in the states has just put a new clutch in one,porsche wriggled out of the warranty,cost 7k .
One car has just sold in florida for 202k £ ,and i have just looked at one for 240k,uk car 1 owner and 1k miles,warranty etc
I cant believe any one would pay the 186k+commision etc for a cat d car.I costed the major parts to repair that car,with out labour and paint etc,i was at nearly 50k!!
I had porsche offer me 10% discount on the parts,as they only get 20% discount from the factory.
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