EVs will make up 50% of total in 2025, 80% by 2030
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-07...
Per their CEO, Blume. However, he does allow that the 911 will have conventional power, though with hybrid option and ability to run on synthetic fuel.
These days the 911 is not their bread and butter anyway, and the development of the EVs will be done in concert with VAG, so I would imagine lots of platform sharing.
Still, we are dealing with a vast change in the next four years to reach 50%.
I know at some stage I will add an EV, but I will keep my ICE cars as long as I can. I will likely buy one one anyway.
Per their CEO, Blume. However, he does allow that the 911 will have conventional power, though with hybrid option and ability to run on synthetic fuel.
These days the 911 is not their bread and butter anyway, and the development of the EVs will be done in concert with VAG, so I would imagine lots of platform sharing.
Still, we are dealing with a vast change in the next four years to reach 50%.
I know at some stage I will add an EV, but I will keep my ICE cars as long as I can. I will likely buy one one anyway.
All depends on how quickly they electrify the Macan I suppose. SUVs are where the volumes are right? If that means a few low volume big aspirated petrol ICE sports cars for a few more years so much the better.
I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bulls
t nonsense from 2022.
I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bulls
t nonsense from 2022.Porsche sell about 275k cars a year; of that, 20k are Taycans, 93k are Cayennes, the remaining 106k will be Macan & Panamera.
718s are 22k and 911s are 34k. So even today, only 20% of the mix are "pure sports cars".
The article does say that Porsche's definition of electrification includes hybrids, so MHEVs/PHEVs, as well as fully electric EVs. I can imagine that all of Porsche's four-doors will have some form of electrification through this definition without much change to the current line-up.
718s are 22k and 911s are 34k. So even today, only 20% of the mix are "pure sports cars".
The article does say that Porsche's definition of electrification includes hybrids, so MHEVs/PHEVs, as well as fully electric EVs. I can imagine that all of Porsche's four-doors will have some form of electrification through this definition without much change to the current line-up.
Schmed said:
All depends on how quickly they electrify the Macan I suppose. SUVs are where the volumes are right? If that means a few low volume big aspirated petrol ICE sports cars for a few more years so much the better.
I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bullst nonsense from 2022.
To my knowledge the Macan is the next up for a full EV though no idea if they will stop the ICE version.I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bulls
t nonsense from 2022.I have added a Taycan turbo to my cars and have to say that I thoroughly enjoy my time each and every drive.
It works for us, as I have an Andersen home charger in the garage so every time i come home I stick it back on charge, and away i go again, real world miles I'm getting in this cold winter, 200 Miles which is rubbish.. in the spring/summer 230.
EV's have to suit your lifestyle, its a simple as that, I would not own one as a company car as i just couldn't do with the charger network, on the 2 occasions i have been to NEW IONITY charger, first time they were not on, second time they were having maintenance and updates carried out!
Being a regular New Porsche buyer i have to say the fit and finish puts the 992 fit and finish to shame, my 992 TurboS had rattles on at least 4 different panels on a 172k car is not acceptable.
It works for us, as I have an Andersen home charger in the garage so every time i come home I stick it back on charge, and away i go again, real world miles I'm getting in this cold winter, 200 Miles which is rubbish.. in the spring/summer 230.
EV's have to suit your lifestyle, its a simple as that, I would not own one as a company car as i just couldn't do with the charger network, on the 2 occasions i have been to NEW IONITY charger, first time they were not on, second time they were having maintenance and updates carried out!
Being a regular New Porsche buyer i have to say the fit and finish puts the 992 fit and finish to shame, my 992 TurboS had rattles on at least 4 different panels on a 172k car is not acceptable.
arcamalpha said:
Is the expectation that the 992 gen 2 will have a hybrid option? Or perhaps hybrid mandatory on certain model like a Turbo S E-Hybrid perhaps?
Yes. Porsche CEO was on record as saying that a year or more ago that there will be a 992.2 hybrid quote was “it will be the most powerful 911 ever”. So it will be like the Turbo Nutter bd (technical term) top of the range 911 like the current Panamera. Basically a Turbo S with a Hybrid system I assume. It will be ludicrously quick, very heavy and stupidly expensive. burman said:
To get anywhere near 80% The Macan , Cayenne and Panamera will Have to go 100% EV, what about US sales? will be a huge change for them.
Porsche did kill diesel ,so I assume they are intending to chop Petrol also as fast as they can what a load of green c**p
Article says they include Hybrid’s. 60% of Panamera’s are Hybrid already as an example...imagine decent % of Cayenne are too. Macan is scheduled to be a pure EV isn’t it ? Porsche did kill diesel ,so I assume they are intending to chop Petrol also as fast as they can what a load of green c**p
My Macan Turbo PP is going nowhere.
Dipped my toe in with an i3 (ex demo) - low spec but fab little car for commute ( I live in the sticks and do about 40 miles round trip). Lucky enough to have a 997 and RS4 as well but neither has moved since I have had the EV not least because you can pre-programme departure so warm seats, defrosted and ready to go. Now that is luxury 
Cheib said:
arcamalpha said:
Is the expectation that the 992 gen 2 will have a hybrid option? Or perhaps hybrid mandatory on certain model like a Turbo S E-Hybrid perhaps?
Yes. Porsche CEO was on record as saying that a year or more ago that there will be a 992.2 hybrid quote was “it will be the most powerful 911 ever”. So it will be like the Turbo Nutter bd (technical term) top of the range 911 like the current Panamera. Basically a Turbo S with a Hybrid system I assume. It will be ludicrously quick, very heavy and stupidly expensive. RDMcG said:
Schmed said:
All depends on how quickly they electrify the Macan I suppose. SUVs are where the volumes are right? If that means a few low volume big aspirated petrol ICE sports cars for a few more years so much the better.
I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bullst nonsense from 2022.
To my knowledge the Macan is the next up for a full EV though no idea if they will stop the ICE version.I can’t see the 2030 ICE ban actually happening either, all the eco-propaganda has got a little too out of control in recent years. I could imagine buying one from another country and importing it ‘on the quiet’ to get around the regs, also ripping out the speed limiters will prob become the norm if they try rolling out that eco bulls
t nonsense from 2022.arcamalpha said:
Cheib said:
arcamalpha said:
Is the expectation that the 992 gen 2 will have a hybrid option? Or perhaps hybrid mandatory on certain model like a Turbo S E-Hybrid perhaps?
Yes. Porsche CEO was on record as saying that a year or more ago that there will be a 992.2 hybrid quote was “it will be the most powerful 911 ever”. So it will be like the Turbo Nutter bd (technical term) top of the range 911 like the current Panamera. Basically a Turbo S with a Hybrid system I assume. It will be ludicrously quick, very heavy and stupidly expensive. Cheib said:
It’s a real problem for Porsche. The very essence of a 911 is that it’s rear engined...lose that USP and well it’s not really a 911 is it ? It’s an electric sports car. It’s why there’s such a big push for Synthetic Fuels...without it they’ve got a massive problem.
Agreed. At some stage I will end up with an EV I expect, but it will not be a 911. I will just keep the old stuff.shantybeater said:
Agree with the above. For me an EV will be to accomplish the task of A to B, so I’d happily get a Honda E or something small. I can’t see the car I drive for pleasure being an EV or hybrid.
Whether the motivation is ‘environmental’ or ‘political’, the momentum to make EV the default option is likely to gather considerable on-going pace. To this end, rather than using the ‘carrot’ to incentivise drivers to make the change, it is much more likely that there will be a ‘stick’ comprising legislation, charges and restrictions to discourage ICE usage.
Biofuels are the big hope, but my understanding is that these are still a long way from being available in an effective formula, and may not be suitable for most existing vehicles, especially petrol engines, anyway.
I think where agility isn’t so key EVs can be fun. The Taycan is a nice car and I can see an EV Panamera or Macan would be good too. EVs can still offer relatively decent handling, Porsche quality, and performance.
I’m not convinced that works for the 911 or Cayman platforms though. I might be won over if they build 911 with a very mild hybrid and I guess that might be where they start: max 25-50kg weight penalty, ability to torque fill, electric only for 5-10miles.
I’m not convinced that works for the 911 or Cayman platforms though. I might be won over if they build 911 with a very mild hybrid and I guess that might be where they start: max 25-50kg weight penalty, ability to torque fill, electric only for 5-10miles.
Koln-RS said:
Whether the motivation is ‘environmental’ or ‘political’, the momentum to make EV the default option is likely to gather considerable on-going pace.
To this end, rather than using the ‘carrot’ to incentivise drivers to make the change, it is much more likely that there will be a ‘stick’ comprising legislation, charges and restrictions to discourage ICE usage.
Biofuels are the big hope, but my understanding is that these are still a long way from being available in an effective formula, and may not be suitable for most existing vehicles, especially petrol engines, anyway.
I think you may be right about the "stick" Koln but there is the VED and fuel duty issue in hitting ICE vehicles too hard, which will make HM Treasury think twice about losing £50 billion a year.To this end, rather than using the ‘carrot’ to incentivise drivers to make the change, it is much more likely that there will be a ‘stick’ comprising legislation, charges and restrictions to discourage ICE usage.
Biofuels are the big hope, but my understanding is that these are still a long way from being available in an effective formula, and may not be suitable for most existing vehicles, especially petrol engines, anyway.
There is a good case for taxing EVs as they are a LOT heavier!!
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