cayman and RMS
Discussion
softinthehead said:
yes yes,I should know this, and yes, yes its been discussed before, but ive forgotten the answer. so, has the cayman engine been redesigned in any way to prevent the sort of RMS failure debacles affecting the boxster and 996?
...no. The engine is very similar to the orignal 3.4 lump of the 996 (similar power output too).
Even the 997 and 996 GT3 have the RMS bug.
It's a far cry from the good old days when a 911 could go 200,000 miles without a rebuild. these days, if you don't have a warranty, expect to pay £12K to fix it and remember, that is only until the problem reoccurs!
there is no way I would buy a water cooled Porsche without a warranty.
I read somewhere that somebody didn't want to buy a 993 because it was old - but I reckon it is more reliable than the water cooled cars.
if only I could find one that has a limited slip differential...
It's a far cry from the good old days when a 911 could go 200,000 miles without a rebuild. these days, if you don't have a warranty, expect to pay £12K to fix it and remember, that is only until the problem reoccurs!
there is no way I would buy a water cooled Porsche without a warranty.
I read somewhere that somebody didn't want to buy a 993 because it was old - but I reckon it is more reliable than the water cooled cars.
if only I could find one that has a limited slip differential...
MadKipper said:
Even the 997 and 996 GT3 have the RMS bug.
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!
The 997 (M97 block) does indeed suffer from RMS but ALL GT3 variants (alongside GT2 and TT) come from the Le Mans GT1 engine, have no known engine problems whatsoever. The GT3 engine costs £28K to replace compared to around £7-9K for a M96/M97 variant and for a very good reason that it is indestructible.
This is why the GT3 residuals will remain high - it has a fantastic engine.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN.
I am getting SO sick and tired of this RMS b0llocks.
There is an issue with RMS leaks on 996s, but....... and I want to make this absolutely clear
1. IT IS COVERED BY THE PORSCHE WARRANTY, AND A TENNER A WEEK IS CHEAP FOR PEACE OF MIND
2. RMS DOES NOT CAUSE CATASTROPHIC ENGINE FAILURE
3. IF YOU ARE OUT OF WARRANTY AND CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY £500 TO HAVE AN RMS REPLACED THEN YOU ARE RUNNING THE WRONG CAR.
It is getting very boring - on the internet no one knows you are a dog, so they say - as Senna says there a load of old b0llocks talked.
Buy a decent example, get it warranted by Porsche for a few hundred quid and DRIVE IT.
>> Edited by Vesuvius996 on Friday 8th July 09:40
Vesuvius996 said:
There is an issue with RMS leaks on 996s, but....... and I want to make this absolutely clear
1. IT IS COVERED BY THE PORSCHE WARRANTY, AND A TENNER A WEEK IS CHEAP FOR PEACE OF MIND
09:40
Concur with you Vesuvius, the net does make it look worse than it really is (although there obviously is an issue). A number of the BETTER independent dealers (see many other threads to work out who they are!) also offer a warranty that will cover it... bottom line is to CHECK, ask the specific question, get peace of mind and then go driving!
The thing is, some 996s and Boxsters are going through multiple RMSs (and all the expense that involves) which would piss me off because it is due to a design fault......well of course it is. Sticking in a new seal doesn't rectify the underlying problem. The new seals fail pretty soon anyway on lots of these cars.
Despite what Vesuvius says, it doesn't mean you are running a car that is too expensive for you if the above bothers you. Far from it. It would annoy me that it is happening at all. Spending money needlessly (500 quid a time) is outrageous. The independents are laughing (I know, I spoke to the owner of Strasse about this and he intends to make good money from this for years to come). Only the customer loses.
Porsche should replace all leaking RMSs for the life of the car and provide a top quality courtesy car whilst the car is in the OPC. This should be done even when the car is out of warranty because all this comes down to their mistake in the first place.
For heaven's sake Porsche, redesign these engines.
Despite what Vesuvius says, it doesn't mean you are running a car that is too expensive for you if the above bothers you. Far from it. It would annoy me that it is happening at all. Spending money needlessly (500 quid a time) is outrageous. The independents are laughing (I know, I spoke to the owner of Strasse about this and he intends to make good money from this for years to come). Only the customer loses.
Porsche should replace all leaking RMSs for the life of the car and provide a top quality courtesy car whilst the car is in the OPC. This should be done even when the car is out of warranty because all this comes down to their mistake in the first place.
For heaven's sake Porsche, redesign these engines.
shoestring7 said:
Sorry guys. The aircooled engines used in C3.2's, 964s and 993's commonly need expensive top-end work at around 100k miles.
Errr, no they don't.
I've seen plenty of 911's and 964's which have reached 130k miles and are heading for a top end rebuild, but many are not. How about 220,000 miles on a 3.2 G50 before a top end rebuild? I've seen it.
I've also seen half a dozen 993's (including 2 turbos) which have done over 150k miles and still burn way less than the one litre per thousand miles that is quoted as the service limit (i.e. rebuild time). In fact, both those 993tt's were still on their original turbos also!
It's all about how you treat the car. Warm it up properly (and with a turbo cool it down again) and you can see very silly mileage without any grief.
VS
P.S. Agree with earlier posts also - RMS issue is hugely exaggerated. It's a crankshaft oil seal which, if it goes, means clutch contamination. So then get a new clutch and get a new RMS. Hardly catastrophic engine failure is it? NO.
Multiple RMS failures on the same car are more worrying...
Multiple RMS failures on the same car are more worrying...
shoestring7 said:
Sorry guys. The aircooled engines used in C3.2's, 964s and 993's commonly need expensive top-end work at around 100k miles.
If its 'bullet proof' you're looking for, then you need to think in terms of the 944 8V and 928....
SS7
That's just crap. The aircooled engines (early 964s excepted) are renouned for being bullet proof. There are many examples with 250k+ miles on them, heads never been off.
Looking on rennlist at the many 997 RMS failures already, it's a shame porsche didn't concentrate on a properly engineered solution to this, rather than cash in on a mostly cosmetic update.
verysideways said:
P.S. Agree with earlier posts also - RMS issue is hugely exaggerated. It's a crankshaft oil seal which, if it goes, means clutch contamination. So then get a new clutch and get a new RMS. Hardly catastrophic engine failure is it? NO.
Multiple RMS failures on the same car are more worrying...
Not entirely true - RMS leak could potentially leak onto the clutch. I've read about a 1000 posts regarding RMS over the past few years and no-one with an rms leak has ever had the clutch contaminated - it is just a 'possibility' hence why they change it at the same time. But I agree in general - RMS is exaggerated.
RMS - £500 to replace, no actual clutch failures and never had an engine gone because of the rms.
(still a pain in the ass though!)
Vesuvius996 said:
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN.
I am getting SO sick and tired of this RMS b0llocks.
It is getting very boring - on the internet no one knows you are a dog, so they say - as Senna says there a load of old b0llocks talked.
>> Edited by Vesuvius996 on Friday 8th July 09:40
well pardon me for breathing. I asked a specific quetion, is the RMS issue addressed in the new cayman. seems a reasonable question to me. irrespective of whether its under warranty or not, its an obvious design flaw from a manufacturer with a proud engineering heritage, and it should be addressed in a new model.
Im not aware of any forum rule that says all posts have to be fascinating for vesuvius996. if it bores you, dont read it.
>> Edited by softinthehead on Friday 8th July 16:05
abarber,
I fully except that a few aircooled cars will have run mega mileages, but this is the exception.
Take a look at buyers guides for 3.2s, 964's and 993's, and speak to specialist and you'll see there's plenty advice about oil leaks around the throughbolts. Its not just early 964's.
Bottom ends maybe strong, but tell that to someone who's just been quoted £2500 for a top end rebuild.
SS7
I fully except that a few aircooled cars will have run mega mileages, but this is the exception.
Take a look at buyers guides for 3.2s, 964's and 993's, and speak to specialist and you'll see there's plenty advice about oil leaks around the throughbolts. Its not just early 964's.
Bottom ends maybe strong, but tell that to someone who's just been quoted £2500 for a top end rebuild.
SS7
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