Best Collector Porsche
Best Collector Porsche
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Dub Duece

Original Poster:

4 posts

53 months

Wednesday 11th August 2021
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If I had a budget of less than $500,000 what would be the best Porsche(s) to collector? Contemplating investing in cars than the stock market/real estate.

Possible contenders:
997 GT3RS 4.0
997 GT2RS
997 Turbo S

MrVert

4,455 posts

260 months

Wednesday 11th August 2021
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I wouldn’t be starting now, prices are very high at the moment, inflated market…

MDL111

8,337 posts

198 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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a low mileage LHD 996 RS - I believe those were not sold in the US, so should get further pick up the closer we get to the 25 years having passed. Plus they are relatively rare. Of course you then can't drive it to ensure it stays low mileage - which would annoy me no end. One could imo also make an argument for the gen 2 996 GT2 Clubsport - rare as f...., but not an RS, which might hold it back
the 2 997 cars as mentioned by you, might also be a good shout (Edit: I meant the 2 RS 997 cars)

MDL111

8,337 posts

198 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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plus, if you go race car - then the 996 R/RS/RSR cars - the more difficult road driving becomes, the more people might look into cars that they can race at prestigious events (LeMans classic, Peter Auto stuff etc)

Slippydiff

15,899 posts

244 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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Dub Duece said:
If I had a budget of less than $500,000 what would be the best Porsche(s) to collector? Contemplating investing in cars than the stock market/real estate.

Possible contenders:
997 GT3RS 4.0
997 GT2RS
997 Turbo S
993 RS and 964 RS plus the cars you've suggested (but NOT the 997 Turbo S)


Swine Enthusiast

357 posts

125 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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Cayman R
Porsche Spyder
997 GT2 RS
996 GT3 RS

But I think I wouldn't be investing in cars currently, massive asset bubble caused by too much cheap finance and a YOLO mentality after CV19.

IMI A

9,913 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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Nah just the 4.0 GT3. No brainer. Dream car. 964 and 993 RS good shouts too. Must haves in any collection.

IMI A

9,913 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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Engine not special enough in 997 GT2 RS identical to 997.1 turbo. Suffers bad heat soak too on track even stock.

nebpor

3,753 posts

256 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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IMI A said:
Engine not special enough in 997 GT2 RS identical to 997.1 turbo. Suffers bad heat soak too on track even stock.
That's interesting - is it just the same engine, but mapped for more power?

I read that GT2RS intercoolers etc are better, yet from your post it would seem they still don't help with the heat soak generated on a track day

voram

7,618 posts

55 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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The world is full of old Porsches. Values may be high today but what are they going to be worth when electric cars rule the world, all the petrol stations have closed and they're just cluttering up the garages of ageing owners?

In any "collector" category the most secure purchase is always right at the top of the pile. But then you won't want to use it in case it gets damaged.

IMI A

9,913 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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nebpor said:
IMI A said:
Engine not special enough in 997 GT2 RS identical to 997.1 turbo. Suffers bad heat soak too on track even stock.
That's interesting - is it just the same engine, but mapped for more power?

I read that GT2RS intercoolers etc are better, yet from your post it would seem they still don't help with the heat soak generated on a track day
I had GT2 RS intercoolers on mine. They're good but there is much better intercooling available. 991 GT2 RS actually used water spray system on to the intercoolers to improve the issue.

996 turbo, 997.1 turbo , 997 GT2, and 997 GT2 RS. Same engines wink

IMI A

9,913 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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Very special engine by the way in the turbo, GT2 RS in term of pedigree etc won Le Man 1998 but in terms of experience not visceral rev monsters like the GT3 motors which are a real event. I actually prefer the torquey turbo engines for my own use but for collectors the 4.0 the one wink

MDL111

8,337 posts

198 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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I am right and you all are wrong smile

nebpor

3,753 posts

256 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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IMI A said:
Very special engine by the way in the turbo, GT2 RS in term of pedigree etc won Le Man 1998 but in terms of experience not visceral rev monsters like the GT3 motors which are a real event. I actually prefer the torquey turbo engines for my own use but for collectors the 4.0 the one wink
I have a 996 turbo, so I know that lot, I was more curious about the same engine comment but now I get where you were coming from - cheers!!

Skyedriver

21,829 posts

303 months

Thursday 12th August 2021
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voram said:
The world is full of old Porsches. Values may be high today but what are they going to be worth when electric cars rule the world, all the petrol stations have closed and they're just cluttering up the garages of ageing owners?

In any "collector" category the most secure purchase is always right at the top of the pile. But then you won't want to use it in case it gets damaged.
Bit "doom monger" but I hear what you are saying.
Not Porsche but I have always had a hankering for a particular couple of cars but their prices now are so high that I'd be worried about taking them out in case some twerp in 4x4 or kiddy carrying vehicle opened doors on it, scraped it in a car park, T boned it at a junction while looking elsewhere etc.
Keeping them in a garage is pointless, yes they'll continue to go up in value. Until they are no longer useable due to Govt. legislation, lack of fuel stations or fuel supply or massive high fuel duty to "disuade" from using it.

Yellow491

3,317 posts

140 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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nebpor said:
IMI A said:
Very special engine by the way in the turbo, GT2 RS in term of pedigree etc won Le Man 1998 but in terms of experience not visceral rev monsters like the GT3 motors which are a real event. I actually prefer the torquey turbo engines for my own use but for collectors the 4.0 the one wink
I have a 996 turbo, so I know that lot, I was more curious about the same engine comment but now I get where you were coming from - cheers!!
Are you sure about that won lemans in 98;)

Electric cars Are not the future,electric cars are a joke as a green car,plenty of petrol around for at least the next 300 years,and as long as you have planes flying on kero there will be petrol,now we have bio petrol with the first race series running on it next year.

Andyoz

2,920 posts

75 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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MrVert said:
I wouldn’t be starting now, prices are very high at the moment, inflated market…
I'd agree. In the past buyers could feel secure knowing that if they 'bought the top' and prices collapsed they'll just wait it out.

We are going through the biggest disruption since ICE was invented.

You've got to always ask yourself, who's the future buyers and are there enough of them to bid the car up.


Koln-RS

4,068 posts

233 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Unfortunately, this is probably true.

We are almost certainly in the last hoorah for indulgent ICE vehicles, as the attention turns to achieving ‘net zero’, and politics put tax and legislative pressure on many of these cars.

Hopefully there will still be room for a healthy enthusiast market, but this will inevitably contract as the new generations of buyers no longer see the relevance.

Buy to use, while you can, not invest.


Slippydiff

15,899 posts

244 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Yellow491 said:
Are you sure about that won lemans in 98;)

Electric cars Are not the future,electric cars are a joke as a green car,plenty of petrol around for at least the next 300 years,and as long as you have planes flying on kero there will be petrol,now we have bio petrol with the first race series running on it next year.
Morning Paul, hope you’re well ?

I agree on the ICE engine’s future smile

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno

Synthetic fuel ? Not so much :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0MPg7DxbY

IMI A

9,913 posts

222 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Yellow491 said:
nebpor said:
IMI A said:
Very special engine by the way in the turbo, GT2 RS in term of pedigree etc won Le Man 1998 but in terms of experience not visceral rev monsters like the GT3 motors which are a real event. I actually prefer the torquey turbo engines for my own use but for collectors the 4.0 the one wink
I have a 996 turbo, so I know that lot, I was more curious about the same engine comment but now I get where you were coming from - cheers!!
Are you sure about that won lemans in 98;)

Electric cars Are not the future,electric cars are a joke as a green car,plenty of petrol around for at least the next 300 years,and as long as you have planes flying on kero there will be petrol,now we have bio petrol with the first race series running on it next year.
1998 GT1 same engine architecture? Very easy to convert any 996 turbo, 997.1 turbo, 997 GT2 (RS) engine to the spec with higher revving GT3 top end type mezger motor. Thats my issue with the road cars at mega money in say 997 GT2 or GT2 RS. They're identical to the road going torque monsters in 996 and 997 turbo hence not quite special enough IMO dealers demand for them based on numbers alone. Quite soft woofly cars to drive without the instant throttle response of the na mezger engines. I'm splitting hairs I don't think a bigger fan of GT2 than moi.

For collector must be the 4.0 no? No brainer smile