Is original paint that important?
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I've noticed that in the UK alot more than in the US or countries such as Germany there is an emphasis on "original" paint being on the car.
Now in this instance I'm talking about 993s here because I own one. The cars are between 8 and 10 years old now. Mine has quite a few stone chips on it and at some point I'll have the front end painted by a good body shop.
Any ideas why it's deemed better (at least the impression I get in the UK) to stick with original paint even if it looks terrible covered in stone chips?
Not sure but maybe paint technology has moved on in the last 10 years and a repaint might be even BETTER than the original.
Any opinions?
Now in this instance I'm talking about 993s here because I own one. The cars are between 8 and 10 years old now. Mine has quite a few stone chips on it and at some point I'll have the front end painted by a good body shop.
Any ideas why it's deemed better (at least the impression I get in the UK) to stick with original paint even if it looks terrible covered in stone chips?
Not sure but maybe paint technology has moved on in the last 10 years and a repaint might be even BETTER than the original.
Any opinions?
Its funny, because people really want original paint but really hate stone chips.
CHOOSE ONE!
(not having a go at you silver, i'm sympathising)
When i sold my 80k mile Chimaera it looked like it had been sandblasted on the nose, but i could honestly say it was in original paint. If the buyer wanted to spray it that's their choice.
VS
CHOOSE ONE!
(not having a go at you silver, i'm sympathising)
When i sold my 80k mile Chimaera it looked like it had been sandblasted on the nose, but i could honestly say it was in original paint. If the buyer wanted to spray it that's their choice.
VS
Get the car painted, just make sure it`s done well. There is no problem at all with a 993 having been painted for scratches, dents, chips etc. Hard accident damage is a different matter of course. Almost without fail when someone reffers to a 10 year old car as having "original" paint they are deluding themselves. A quick glance round the car usually turns up some re-painted areas or areas that need re-painting !
The skill to appraising a car comes from being able to quantify not if a car has been painted but why and if that signifies more significant problems.
The main dealers often painted the front ends of 993s for stone chips when they re-sold them at 18 months or a couple of years old so there is no harm in your bringing the front end of a 993 back up to speed at this stage.
Henry
The skill to appraising a car comes from being able to quantify not if a car has been painted but why and if that signifies more significant problems.
The main dealers often painted the front ends of 993s for stone chips when they re-sold them at 18 months or a couple of years old so there is no harm in your bringing the front end of a 993 back up to speed at this stage.
Henry
flemke said:
With a respray there's the risk that the new paint is covering something, such as damage repair.
Yes but surely if you check inside the front compartment and find original paint on all the interior of the panels then no serious repairs have been made.
If there has been light damage to a wing for example, so what? If the repair has been properly carried out you wont't see it anyway. Poor repairs can always be spotted. especially if you include a paint inspection when buying.
Seems like alot of people are forgetting these are used cars and nearly 10 years old.
I will definetly get my front end repainted at the right time because I love my car looking as new as possible...or should that be as "original" as possible since when new they didn't come with stone chips. Unless that was an option?
There is so much porsche snobbery! I'm a better porsche owner than you etc!
People want - low mileage - prefferably none at all, FPMDSH, 1 owner or less, Stored in a missile bunker etc.
The previous owner of my car was a PCGB secretary but it didn't stop him losing £10k on the car. When speaking to him every other word he used was immaculate and concorse; which it was.
Now i'd use the words driven and shot blast!
People want - low mileage - prefferably none at all, FPMDSH, 1 owner or less, Stored in a missile bunker etc.
The previous owner of my car was a PCGB secretary but it didn't stop him losing £10k on the car. When speaking to him every other word he used was immaculate and concorse; which it was.
Now i'd use the words driven and shot blast!
Tons of cars sold by OPCs will have had paintwork done. Most cars that are used daily will pickup scratches, stone-chips and the occasional scuff or ding. Porsche guidance for used car sales is so strict that any of these will commonly require spray-work (ever seen a car for sale at an OPC with stonechips?) Ergo - many more cars have had spraywork than most people imagine.
As for hiding damage, thats obviously a cause to check further into the car, to check what happened as there is a world of difference between a car thats had a major smack and which required the bodywhell straightening and one that required a wing/door/bumper because of a parking ding.
When you trade your car in at an OPC they pretty much always respray the front end or address stone chips with paint, so virtually none of their used cars have "original paint"
When I had my Boxster S & then my C2 appraised by an OPC they said on both occasions they said that a front end respray is needed before they sold it on, even though the cars only had a few stone chip on them.....so they do or they just say that to drive the price they offer down further !
Ro.
When I had my Boxster S & then my C2 appraised by an OPC they said on both occasions they said that a front end respray is needed before they sold it on, even though the cars only had a few stone chip on them.....so they do or they just say that to drive the price they offer down further !
Ro.
If you are getting a car resprayed for stone chips etc, then get the garage to write the reason on their bill and hand this to the buyer if they start getting arsey about it.
Imaginer yourself haggling to buy a car...
"It's got stone chips, I want £500 off."
or ..
"It's not the original paint, I want £500 off."
or of all else fails...
"It might have original paint, with no stone chips, but guards red is so 80's so I want £500 off."
Imaginer yourself haggling to buy a car...
"It's got stone chips, I want £500 off."
or ..
"It's not the original paint, I want £500 off."
or of all else fails...
"It might have original paint, with no stone chips, but guards red is so 80's so I want £500 off."
If I'm buying a car, I don't want stone chips or dings. Therefore, if it's been repainted professionally I find no reason to knock money off. Too me it adds to the value because I won't have the hassle of orgaising it, not being able to use the car, getting sa shoddy job done, etc. Also, I can use the money for other things for a few years until it needs painting again 
silver993tt said:Of course you're right. It's just that sometimes the marketplace is irrational, and that affects prices.
With a respray there's the risk that the new paint is covering something, such as damage repair.
Yes but surely if you check inside the front compartment and find original paint on all the interior of the panels then no serious repairs have been made.
If there has been light damage to a wing for example, so what? If the repair has been properly carried out you wont't see it anyway. Poor repairs can always be spotted. especially if you include a paint inspection when buying.
Slightly off topic, but related....
I also was told a few weeks ago that "I had stone chips on the bonnet and front pu that we'd need to respray, therfore -£1000"
...yeah, DUH...it has been used, and there are only a few, grating comment of the year
...ANYWAY...has anyone got any experience of the clear Armourfend type products?
Thinking that if I go to the expense of a respray, like Silver, I want mine to look good for as long as poss (per every other owner, naturally), hence, is it worth shelling out for this kind of thing?
Does it actually work? Or does it look really pap on a (996) 911?
....Don't fancy one of these US type "Bra's", a bit OTT methinks!
I also was told a few weeks ago that "I had stone chips on the bonnet and front pu that we'd need to respray, therfore -£1000"
...yeah, DUH...it has been used, and there are only a few, grating comment of the year
...ANYWAY...has anyone got any experience of the clear Armourfend type products? Thinking that if I go to the expense of a respray, like Silver, I want mine to look good for as long as poss (per every other owner, naturally), hence, is it worth shelling out for this kind of thing?
Does it actually work? Or does it look really pap on a (996) 911?
....Don't fancy one of these US type "Bra's", a bit OTT methinks!Armourfend works really well anywhere it is used - you would be surprised at how big a stone will be deflected without any damage to the paint.
It has a very slightly yellowish tint which makes it a wee bit noticeable on colours such as white. Someone who's had it done on a silver car will probably post here, but my guess is that it's not a problem on silver.
Those bra things are risible.
It has a very slightly yellowish tint which makes it a wee bit noticeable on colours such as white. Someone who's had it done on a silver car will probably post here, but my guess is that it's not a problem on silver.
Those bra things are risible.
I had 'paintshield' applied to my silver 997 just after I bought it in January. It's great stuff - pre-cut by laser to fit the car and no yellow discolouration. Not only does it prevent chips, but with larger stones it can also help prevent dents. It even comes with a guarantee to pay the frst £750 of damage caused by stones that penetrate the film!
willr said:On solid black it's nearly invisible.
Has anyone had amourfend or equivalent on a metallic black car?
I've always thought that these products are too visible - what's the point of protecting the car for the next owner when you've bought it for yourself! A bit like seat covers or extra floor mats...
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