Why So Many Owners on New Shape Cayenne

[Callughan]

Anyone know the reason why so many used new shape Cayennes have multiple owners in such a short space of a time?

This was definitely not the case with the 958. Could this be due to having many electronic gremlins?

[Cheib]

It has been rumoured that some people buy cars like the Cayenne, Panamera and Taycan purely to get in their OPC’s good books moving them on every few months and replacing with another. Or maybe people wake up and think “fk me I’ve just spent £120k on a Cayenne what was I thinking” …

Great cars but some models are daft money now…I do think a lot of them get bought purely as a means to a GT car.

[Grantstown]

I think Cheib is probably right to be honest. The extra wide rectangular front grill isn’t the best styling, but not terminal compared to the abominations coming out of the BMW styling department. Also, I suspect the absence of a diesel base model is also an issue.

If they could manage >40 miles of electric range on the hybrid to bring the bik down to 8% they’d probably become workable as a company car. Presumably the idiosincracies of the UKs complex taxation system aren’t high up enough on Porsche’s radar to make this a priority.

[RDMcG]

I bought my 2022 GTS because my 2008 Cayenne S had 300,000 hard kilometres on it. I have 15,000 on it now and not problems. For me it is a working vehicle and I will drive it into the ground basically. Will be interesting to see if it last like the old one. I doubt it. Too much electronic complexity .

We will see.

[Cheib]

Grantstown said:

Also, I suspect the absence of a diesel base model is also an issue.

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

[ATM]

Cheib said:

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

Not sure we'll ever know their reasons. Could guess that the VW scandal caused this. Porsche has always tried to be good with their green credentials. Also the brand not really having much demand for these engines across their whole range and therefore expensive development wise. I think once you get out of Europe there was not much demand for Diesel variants. Maybe they saw electric coming and thought we dont need Diesel too. They certainly seem to be doing well now with their electric offerings. I see more Taycan than Tesla where I live. We know the Boxster / Caymans are going electric and also the 911 soon so it will be electric only or petrol or electric + petrol and eventually electric only or electric + petrol.

[franki68]

Cheib said:

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

I am having the same thoughts,I have a diesel cayenne and looking at changing and the new shape is crazy money to change even for an early one.

[Callughan]

Thanks for the responses, tbh I prefer the looks of the 958.2 both exterior and interior wise to the new cayenne, however the prices of good examples are similar.

[Cheib]

ATM said:

Cheib said:

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

Not sure we'll ever know their reasons. Could guess that the VW scandal caused this. Porsche has always tried to be good with their green credentials. Also the brand not really having much demand for these engines across their whole range and therefore expensive development wise. I think once you get out of Europe there was not much demand for Diesel variants. Maybe they saw electric coming and thought we dont need Diesel too. They certainly seem to be doing well now with their electric offerings. I see more Taycan than Tesla where I live. We know the Boxster / Caymans are going electric and also the 911 soon so it will be electric only or petrol or electric + petrol and eventually electric only or electric + petrol.

I don’t think it is R&D…the diesel engine was a VW power plant as are the petrol engines used in the current car. Actually not 100% sure on the latter but I know in the previous model the 6 cylinder petrol engine in the hybrid was a VW engine….I’d be amazed if it wasn’t though.

[Cheib]

Callughan said:

Thanks for the responses, tbh I prefer the looks of the 958.2 both exterior and interior wise to the new cayenne, however the prices of good examples are similar.

I definitely think the materials are better quality the 18 way seats in my car are much better than the equivalent in the new car. Honestly the only thing I would say is better in the new car is the ride quality (marginal) and the size of the PCM screen.

[finmac]

Cheib said:

Grantstown said:

Also, I suspect the absence of a diesel base model is also an issue.

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

I do around 20K miles a year and want a diesel, not remotely interested in Macan or Cayenne with their brutal MPG. (Test driven a Macan GTS a few times and was low 20’s - WTF).

[ATM]

Cheib said:

ATM said:

Cheib said:

I think that is a good point, and why I still have my 2017 S Diesel and will do for a while yet. I’ve not driven a petrol engined Cayenne for any length of time except a loan hybrid that I had for a couple of days. Mileage came out the same as my 5 yr old diesel, Think it is a big miss for them not having one in the range. I’d love to know why they dropped it so quickly and unlike the rest of the VW Group didn’t bring diesel back.

Not sure we'll ever know their reasons. Could guess that the VW scandal caused this. Porsche has always tried to be good with their green credentials. Also the brand not really having much demand for these engines across their whole range and therefore expensive development wise. I think once you get out of Europe there was not much demand for Diesel variants. Maybe they saw electric coming and thought we dont need Diesel too. They certainly seem to be doing well now with their electric offerings. I see more Taycan than Tesla where I live. We know the Boxster / Caymans are going electric and also the 911 soon so it will be electric only or petrol or electric + petrol and eventually electric only or electric + petrol.

I don’t think it is R&D…the diesel engine was a VW power plant as are the petrol engines used in the current car. Actually not 100% sure on the latter but I know in the previous model the 6 cylinder petrol engine in the hybrid was a VW engine….I’d be amazed if it wasn’t though.

Yes they just use other engines not their own. But they must do some testing and tweaking and tuning and be-spoking. So surely some development costs.