Brave Pill - 280km 968
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I like it but might be difficult to sell on...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185664174163?hash=item2...
I guess at nearer £7k the value of parts would make it less of a brave pill.
Would make interesting YouTube content to see how it still drives and the cost of ownership over 12 months,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185664174163?hash=item2...
I guess at nearer £7k the value of parts would make it less of a brave pill.
Would make interesting YouTube content to see how it still drives and the cost of ownership over 12 months,
It depends what you want it for and how it's been looked after.
It could be absolutely shagged or in very reasonable condition - could be it's 4th or 6th clutch and it's 4th radiator but it doesn't really matter.
The vendor is going to find it hard to sell other than cheaply which is shame but the ad is rubbish. The only way to get anything but rock botom price is to show it's been well looked after. Equally when you come to sell you will have the same problems. I don't know when the age of the car means mileage is irrelevant. 30s cars certainly, 70s probably, 90s definitely.
If it's up together running costs will be the same as a low miles garage queen really. It has far less value but it's still an old Porsche so not cheap to run
My 944 turbo has just turned 278000 miles, new clutch last year, lots of bodywork the year before etc etc
It's a great car but selling it for anything like what I feel it might be worth would be nearly impossible.
The market wouldn't agree.
It could be absolutely shagged or in very reasonable condition - could be it's 4th or 6th clutch and it's 4th radiator but it doesn't really matter.
The vendor is going to find it hard to sell other than cheaply which is shame but the ad is rubbish. The only way to get anything but rock botom price is to show it's been well looked after. Equally when you come to sell you will have the same problems. I don't know when the age of the car means mileage is irrelevant. 30s cars certainly, 70s probably, 90s definitely.
If it's up together running costs will be the same as a low miles garage queen really. It has far less value but it's still an old Porsche so not cheap to run
My 944 turbo has just turned 278000 miles, new clutch last year, lots of bodywork the year before etc etc
It's a great car but selling it for anything like what I feel it might be worth would be nearly impossible.
The market wouldn't agree.
Edited by DKL on Saturday 7th January 14:01
It's a 30 year old car with the last owner for 28 years ... I would be surprised if there wasn't a box of paperwork to look through for somebody interested in doing it ... which might offer more than just a service history.
From the bodywork perspective, it's probably worth an independent inspection but MOT now has to declare corrosion well in advance of it becoming structurally significant.
How much is it worth ? As always a negotiation resulting in a sale value ....
Aside from this you can get a lot of information from the DVLA ... it was first registered with the DVLA in 2016 ... the MOT story seems to have low value advisories (which may indicate minimum spend) ... and it hasn't driven very far in recent years.
From the bodywork perspective, it's probably worth an independent inspection but MOT now has to declare corrosion well in advance of it becoming structurally significant.
How much is it worth ? As always a negotiation resulting in a sale value ....
Aside from this you can get a lot of information from the DVLA ... it was first registered with the DVLA in 2016 ... the MOT story seems to have low value advisories (which may indicate minimum spend) ... and it hasn't driven very far in recent years.
Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 7th January 14:16
If you can buy it cheap due to the stellar mileage then it’s unlikely to depreciate much, or at all. The only consideration is running costs, which - if it’s inspected carefully and found to be OK - could be reasonable.
It looks in great condition for age / mileage. Guess they don’t make them like that any longer.
It looks in great condition for age / mileage. Guess they don’t make them like that any longer.
First Sea Lord said:
If you can buy it cheap due to the stellar mileage then it’s unlikely to depreciate much, or at all. The only consideration is running costs, which - if it’s inspected carefully and found to be OK - could be reasonable.
It looks in great condition for age / mileage. Guess they don’t make them like that any longer.
It would be a nightmare to sell on again though. You'd be relying on a private punter as no dealer would take it off your hands for anything over scrap value. It looks in great condition for age / mileage. Guess they don’t make them like that any longer.
A 968 is still an itch I want to scratch.
I’d forget that one above (unless the LHD is preferable for euro trips) and pay a few £K more for something like this.
It’s on the hit list though but even straight ones come up for about this money quite often.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536620
I’m not averse to a Cabriolet and this looked great -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144772522075?mkcid=16&a...
Ultimately though a Boxster does everything better, especially engine noise.
I know it’s a 968 I’ll end up buying though.
I’d forget that one above (unless the LHD is preferable for euro trips) and pay a few £K more for something like this.
It’s on the hit list though but even straight ones come up for about this money quite often.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536620
I’m not averse to a Cabriolet and this looked great -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144772522075?mkcid=16&a...
Ultimately though a Boxster does everything better, especially engine noise.
I know it’s a 968 I’ll end up buying though.
marky911 said:
A 968 is still an itch I want to scratch.
I’d forget that one above (unless the LHD is preferable for euro trips) and pay a few £K more for something like this.
It’s on the hit list though but even straight ones come up for about this money quite often.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536620
Sounds like it's a CatS/N car though. Looks ok but will limit resale for a different reason.I’d forget that one above (unless the LHD is preferable for euro trips) and pay a few £K more for something like this.
It’s on the hit list though but even straight ones come up for about this money quite often.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536620
And therein lies the problem with 968s. It’s hard to walk past a flat 6 engined cayman or Boxster in favour of an older, higher maintenance, 4 pot.
I love them but would also struggle to buy one over a Boxster, which does everything better.
DKL - Yes it’s been bumped as per the ad. That’s why I said “it’s on the hit list”. It will get Cat C or D. My mate owned a white one about 18 years ago actually that was damaged and repaired. I’m going to send him a link on the off chance I was his.
PS. A thorough inspection would put any minds at rest (or not) and it’s then less of a punt than a 300k mile left hand drive one in my eyes. But that’s just me.
I’d never have my best car being a “story car” or recorded, but I’d consider one as a cheap track toy or regular user. It needs to be checked out properly though.
I love them but would also struggle to buy one over a Boxster, which does everything better.
DKL - Yes it’s been bumped as per the ad. That’s why I said “it’s on the hit list”. It will get Cat C or D. My mate owned a white one about 18 years ago actually that was damaged and repaired. I’m going to send him a link on the off chance I was his.
PS. A thorough inspection would put any minds at rest (or not) and it’s then less of a punt than a 300k mile left hand drive one in my eyes. But that’s just me.
I’d never have my best car being a “story car” or recorded, but I’d consider one as a cheap track toy or regular user. It needs to be checked out properly though.
Edited by marky911 on Monday 9th January 16:29
ChocolateFrog said:
I've just realised I'd confused it with a 928.
A 4 pot, they're having a laugh, Shirley?
Indeed. I thought it was a 928 at first glance too.A 4 pot, they're having a laugh, Shirley?
If it was a manual 928, the price doesn't feel out of kilt for a manual left-hooker.
968 with the steering on the wrong side for £9.5k...
Wonder what they go for over in the continent? A shrewd punted may be able to turn a profit on that...
In my eyes (and in its time) a 968 was a blob-restyled 944, a particularly unsuccessful attempt to flog a then ancient (but still venerable) 944 as a new model.
This one is not particularly nice irrespective of mileage, pretty sure a close look would unearth areas of concern.
There seem to be 3 phases to (nominal) mileage.
Phase 1 - Up to nominally 80-100k, apart from obvious wear items and consumables, only "known issue" parts would be expected to fail
Phase 2 - nominally 100-200k, other items that rarely fail start to fail (but also, you get round 2 from some Phase 1 items)
Phase 3 - 200k+ including yet again some Phase 1 and rarely Phase 2 items you get into a regular cycle of part replacement, but should expect failures from generally long lived items, such as gearboxes and engine components, anything that moves is subject to wear. At this stage most cars really make sense only with hands on owners, otherwise the cost of maintenance is going to be ridiculously high relative to vehicle value, and even then, keeping these cars running may become an issue of emotion over reason.
This one is not particularly nice irrespective of mileage, pretty sure a close look would unearth areas of concern.
There seem to be 3 phases to (nominal) mileage.
Phase 1 - Up to nominally 80-100k, apart from obvious wear items and consumables, only "known issue" parts would be expected to fail
Phase 2 - nominally 100-200k, other items that rarely fail start to fail (but also, you get round 2 from some Phase 1 items)
Phase 3 - 200k+ including yet again some Phase 1 and rarely Phase 2 items you get into a regular cycle of part replacement, but should expect failures from generally long lived items, such as gearboxes and engine components, anything that moves is subject to wear. At this stage most cars really make sense only with hands on owners, otherwise the cost of maintenance is going to be ridiculously high relative to vehicle value, and even then, keeping these cars running may become an issue of emotion over reason.
996TT02 said:
In my eyes (and in its time) a 968 was a blob-restyled 944, a particularly unsuccessful attempt to flog a then ancient (but still venerable) 944 as a new model.
This one is not particularly nice irrespective of mileage, pretty sure a close look would unearth areas of concern.
There seem to be 3 phases to (nominal) mileage.
Phase 1 - Up to nominally 80-100k, apart from obvious wear items and consumables, only "known issue" parts would be expected to fail
Phase 2 - nominally 100-200k, other items that rarely fail start to fail (but also, you get round 2 from some Phase 1 items)
Phase 3 - 200k+ including yet again some Phase 1 and rarely Phase 2 items you get into a regular cycle of part replacement, but should expect failures from generally long lived items, such as gearboxes and engine components, anything that moves is subject to wear. At this stage most cars really make sense only with hands on owners, otherwise the cost of maintenance is going to be ridiculously high relative to vehicle value, and even then, keeping these cars running may become an issue of emotion over reason.
Agreed. Solid advice I think, and being the owner of a 200k mile plus old Porsche I concur that you just have to be in it to enjoy the tinkering, the story of the cars miles, the fun of keeping things going. If you're going to be taking it to a specialist every time the ABS light gets thrown or the rear hatch rattles then it's just not going to be much fun.This one is not particularly nice irrespective of mileage, pretty sure a close look would unearth areas of concern.
There seem to be 3 phases to (nominal) mileage.
Phase 1 - Up to nominally 80-100k, apart from obvious wear items and consumables, only "known issue" parts would be expected to fail
Phase 2 - nominally 100-200k, other items that rarely fail start to fail (but also, you get round 2 from some Phase 1 items)
Phase 3 - 200k+ including yet again some Phase 1 and rarely Phase 2 items you get into a regular cycle of part replacement, but should expect failures from generally long lived items, such as gearboxes and engine components, anything that moves is subject to wear. At this stage most cars really make sense only with hands on owners, otherwise the cost of maintenance is going to be ridiculously high relative to vehicle value, and even then, keeping these cars running may become an issue of emotion over reason.
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