i'm finally starting to get my 3.2....
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recently been working late approx 20miles from home,in bucks. found a particular route...which i dutifully trundle along during the day. but on the way home....every night it gets quicker and quicker...each night realising that during the past year i've been nowhere near the things capability. its become obvious this engine just loves to be thrashed!...and the quicker the gear change..the more amazing it gets...i think i've been treating this car with kid gloves.it is now time to take them off...and then i'll tootle along to work with the rest of the traffic in the morning..
this is a truly amazing car...
i am really starting to get it...
this is a truly amazing car...
i am really starting to get it...
agreed, dont worry though. whilst getting fix last night these thoughts where never far from the front of my mind...i suppose when rear end goes on public roads you've probabaly gone and got stupid?
would i be correct?
and i suppose the old "dont lift off" when it goes would be a difficult technique to execute as one is heading towards hedges.
and is something one has to actually perfect on a track.
would i be correct?
and i suppose the old "dont lift off" when it goes would be a difficult technique to execute as one is heading towards hedges.
and is something one has to actually perfect on a track.
The problem is not so much dealing with lift-off oversteer, it's not difficult to catch it to prevent spinning. The problem is you need so much room to cope with a 911 going sideways, and the polar moment of inertia when it grips is massive, and always swings me back out the other way. Not many public roads facilitate it, at least not with my limited driving skills.
Interesting - i always found all three of my 993's very well behaved at the limit. With the 4S and the TT you have to be going faster to slide (than the C2), but when they do they're wonderfully progressive.
Of course with a short wheelbase, stiff suspension, a big footprint and lots of rear weight the back tends to come around very quickly, but as long as you react equally quickly i've never found it intimidating.
On the way to the gym every day, i have to take the 3 o'clock exit at a large roundabout. Conveniently, there are only two slips on this roundabout, the one i come on at (6 o'clock) and the one i use to leave. So every day, as i come down to the roundabout, i come in a little hot in 2nd gear, lift off as i turn in to get the tail to swing whilst also keeping the boost alive. As soon as i start to feel the slide i'm on the power, and by the time the boost kicks in i have held the slide for a second and am ready to catapult off the roundabout and down the stretch of dual carriageway.
It's beautiful, and it puts a smile on my face every day.
Of course with a short wheelbase, stiff suspension, a big footprint and lots of rear weight the back tends to come around very quickly, but as long as you react equally quickly i've never found it intimidating.
On the way to the gym every day, i have to take the 3 o'clock exit at a large roundabout. Conveniently, there are only two slips on this roundabout, the one i come on at (6 o'clock) and the one i use to leave. So every day, as i come down to the roundabout, i come in a little hot in 2nd gear, lift off as i turn in to get the tail to swing whilst also keeping the boost alive. As soon as i start to feel the slide i'm on the power, and by the time the boost kicks in i have held the slide for a second and am ready to catapult off the roundabout and down the stretch of dual carriageway.
It's beautiful, and it puts a smile on my face every day.
rubystone said:
Easy - if it's beyond recovery, take your hands off the steering wheel - always worked for Nick Faure and Vic Elford
There was an article in Circuit Driver about this, by Mark Hales. He got taken around Donington by Jurgen Barth, as they approached the Old Hairpin Hales thought the car was out of control.
Barth simply released his hold of the steering wheel and booted the throttle - sending all the weight to the rear, thus stopping the wheels spinning, bringing control back to the driver.
Proper driver, that Barth fella...
mmmm. i'd love to be at that roundabout to see this happen..
sounds to me that if i "lose it" i would have to do all the things my instincts tell me not to..
ie take my hands off and boot the right peddle...
aint gonna happen methinks...
i'd probably be sawing away at the wheel...slamming my foot on brake and praying...
not good it sounds. think i'll book a trackplay..
and really start to "get " this car..
ps ..how did things come to pass that all that lump is swung all that way back???
just doesnt make sense..physics wise.
does it??
sounds to me that if i "lose it" i would have to do all the things my instincts tell me not to..
ie take my hands off and boot the right peddle...
aint gonna happen methinks...
i'd probably be sawing away at the wheel...slamming my foot on brake and praying...
not good it sounds. think i'll book a trackplay..
and really start to "get " this car..
ps ..how did things come to pass that all that lump is swung all that way back???
just doesnt make sense..physics wise.
does it??
[quote=pneumothorax]mmmm.
sounds to me that if i "lose it" i would have to do all the things my instincts tell me not to..
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You're right, it goes totally against all instincts! The first thing I learned about racing a FWD salonn was that when the back end starts to slide you need to apply power, not lift off. It took ages to finally get that into my (empty) brain, but it does register as being 'normal' after a while.
Best thing you can do is book a driver training day and compare the two side-by-side, i.e. compare the effects of braking etc with the effect of releasing the wheel and applying power.
Only when you have experienced the two extremes in quick succession will it become 'natural'. Definitely worth it though!
sounds to me that if i "lose it" i would have to do all the things my instincts tell me not to..
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You're right, it goes totally against all instincts! The first thing I learned about racing a FWD salonn was that when the back end starts to slide you need to apply power, not lift off. It took ages to finally get that into my (empty) brain, but it does register as being 'normal' after a while.
Best thing you can do is book a driver training day and compare the two side-by-side, i.e. compare the effects of braking etc with the effect of releasing the wheel and applying power.
Only when you have experienced the two extremes in quick succession will it become 'natural'. Definitely worth it though!
clubsport...you have very accurately described the sensation i experienced at two moments during last nights drive home..the moments that urged me to post the experience...main feeling was one of incredible exit speed from said corner...gained through look in mirror at everything disappearing ..quickly in mirrors once i had regained composure after having that oh my god moment. enough to look backwards.
know what i mean?
stunning experience.
i've had a faster car(integrale) but this is... a 911...
and it is sooooo good...
know what i mean?
stunning experience.
i've had a faster car(integrale) but this is... a 911...
and it is sooooo good...
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