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Did anyone see the Zenith Blue C2S in this months GT PP ???
It was goooooorgeous !!!!
Anyway, it's got me all wet now, and i'm looking out for one but only with the turbo 'S' body kit fitted.
Just as a residual proof run about for the next few months.
What are these things like to run/own ???
G.
It was goooooorgeous !!!!
Anyway, it's got me all wet now, and i'm looking out for one but only with the turbo 'S' body kit fitted.
Just as a residual proof run about for the next few months.
What are these things like to run/own ???
G.
I just don't "get" the S versions of the 993
Ok of you like the looks, but surely yopu are going to drive one too?
C4S not much of a secondhand bargain compared to the car you will be wanting...a 993TT
The C2S is heavier, slower, less nimble and more expensive than the regular C2.
Other than the J-Lo rear end what is the appeal, please don't interpret this post as aggresive...it's not meant that way..just may lack of comprehension
Ok of you like the looks, but surely yopu are going to drive one too?
C4S not much of a secondhand bargain compared to the car you will be wanting...a 993TT
The C2S is heavier, slower, less nimble and more expensive than the regular C2.
Other than the J-Lo rear end what is the appeal, please don't interpret this post as aggresive...it's not meant that way..just may lack of comprehension
clubsport said:
I just don't "get" the S versions of the 993
Ok of you like the looks, but surely yopu are going to drive one too?
C4S not much of a secondhand bargain compared to the car you will be wanting...a 993TT
The C2S is heavier, slower, less nimble and more expensive than the regular C2.
Other than the J-Lo rear end what is the appeal, please don't interpret this post as aggresive...it's not meant that way..just may lack of comprehension
Hope you've got your Nomex undies on mate. These S drivers are very sensitive
I posed a similar question on another forum a little while ago, and the bricks are still coming my way 
Cheers for replies chaps..............
It isn't for track use, as you can see i have that base covered
RE S or not S, IMHO the S variant looks even sweeter than the normal body car, with an ass to die for !!!
I know i could poss get into a TT for not much more money, but i'm not bothered about outright performance, and to be honest, i hate the power delivery of my turbo cab, i just want a good alrounder.
NA all the way for me !!!!
It isn't for track use, as you can see i have that base covered
RE S or not S, IMHO the S variant looks even sweeter than the normal body car, with an ass to die for !!!
I know i could poss get into a TT for not much more money, but i'm not bothered about outright performance, and to be honest, i hate the power delivery of my turbo cab, i just want a good alrounder.
NA all the way for me !!!!
I have an Ocean Blue C2S, so feel able to answer.
The C2S and C4S both have the 'Turbo' body. As standard, they also have M033, the 'lowered' suspension, and as an option can have M030, the 'sports' suspension. As standard, the C4S has turbo (red) brakes, but the C2S only has black brakes. They both have pretty much the same wheel/tyre setup as the Mk1 996 GT3 - 18", 285/30 ZR18 rear, 225/40 ZR18 fronts, and came with Pirelli P0s (standard on the C2 is 17"...)
Otherwise, they have the high-level brake light, and a few other small cosmetic touches - the C2S has the 'split' rear spoiler.
So both the C2S and the C4S are useful upgrades on the standard car, the C4S slightly more so, although it is often said that the C2 is a somewhat more involving drive... (usual 4w/4w situation, I guess).
As they are post 1995, they have the varioram engine, with a little more poke than earlier cars (285bhp -vs- 272bhp), and a bit more mid-range torque.
I got my C2S new, in 1997. I recently had a little 'fettling' done - an AMD exhaust and intake upgrade, along with a re-map, and that has lifted the grin-factor much more than the 20 or so bhp would suggest.
I also have a 996 GT3 mk2, which is a wonderful track tool. But if I had to sell one of them, it wouldn't be the 993! It is just the sweetest drive on the public roads... (Ok, the GT3 is awesome, but it is completely anti-social to drive 'sportily' on public roads. And a good deal less comfortable, to boot!).
So the lower suspension doesn't ruin the ride, nor does it go looking for sleeping policement around Milton Keynes, like the GT3... I just Zymoled mine, and it just looks gorgeous... (It was the second time I hand-washed it since I bought it.... the first time was 8 years ago...)
Alan
Ocean Blue 993 C2S
Basalt 996 GT3
PS Glenn - if you want to give it a quick blast around, just PM me. I think you are local to me...
>> Edited by AlanPound on Thursday 8th September 16:07
The C2S and C4S both have the 'Turbo' body. As standard, they also have M033, the 'lowered' suspension, and as an option can have M030, the 'sports' suspension. As standard, the C4S has turbo (red) brakes, but the C2S only has black brakes. They both have pretty much the same wheel/tyre setup as the Mk1 996 GT3 - 18", 285/30 ZR18 rear, 225/40 ZR18 fronts, and came with Pirelli P0s (standard on the C2 is 17"...)
Otherwise, they have the high-level brake light, and a few other small cosmetic touches - the C2S has the 'split' rear spoiler.
So both the C2S and the C4S are useful upgrades on the standard car, the C4S slightly more so, although it is often said that the C2 is a somewhat more involving drive... (usual 4w/4w situation, I guess).
As they are post 1995, they have the varioram engine, with a little more poke than earlier cars (285bhp -vs- 272bhp), and a bit more mid-range torque.
I got my C2S new, in 1997. I recently had a little 'fettling' done - an AMD exhaust and intake upgrade, along with a re-map, and that has lifted the grin-factor much more than the 20 or so bhp would suggest.
I also have a 996 GT3 mk2, which is a wonderful track tool. But if I had to sell one of them, it wouldn't be the 993! It is just the sweetest drive on the public roads... (Ok, the GT3 is awesome, but it is completely anti-social to drive 'sportily' on public roads. And a good deal less comfortable, to boot!).
So the lower suspension doesn't ruin the ride, nor does it go looking for sleeping policement around Milton Keynes, like the GT3... I just Zymoled mine, and it just looks gorgeous... (It was the second time I hand-washed it since I bought it.... the first time was 8 years ago...)
Alan
Ocean Blue 993 C2S
Basalt 996 GT3
PS Glenn - if you want to give it a quick blast around, just PM me. I think you are local to me...
>> Edited by AlanPound on Thursday 8th September 16:07
The C2S is a brilliant machine (well, I chose one). Like all of them, you need to be sure that the tracking is correct (to whatever spec. you want it) and that the dampers aren't knackered. The 4s is heavier because of the 4-wheel drive system, the turbo-look wheels which are solid (if the 2S had 18" from new they'll be hollow), and the 4S brakes which are also heavier. (2 or 3 mph lower top speed over narrow body doesn't bother me.) More rubber at the rear is handy in the dry, I like the handling and steering feel of rear drive and the looks of the wide arse appeal to me also. ...and that's why I chose a 2S over a 2 and 4 or a 4S.
AlanPound said:
I have an Ocean Blue C2S, so feel able to answer.
The C2S and C4S both have the 'Turbo' body. As standard, they also have M033, the 'lowered' suspension, and as an option can have M030, the 'sports' suspension. As standard, the C4S has turbo (red) brakes, but the C2S only has black brakes. They both have pretty much the same wheel/tyre setup as the Mk1 996 GT3 - 18", 285/30 ZR18 rear, 225/40 ZR18 fronts, and came with Pirelli P0s (standard on the C2 is 17"...)
Otherwise, they have the high-level brake light, and a few other small cosmetic touches - the C2S has the 'split' rear spoiler.
So both the C2S and the C4S are useful upgrades on the standard car, the C4S slightly more so, although it is often said that the C2 is a somewhat more involving drive... (usual 4w/4w situation, I guess).
As they are post 1995, they have the varioram engine, with a little more poke than earlier cars (285bhp -vs- 272bhp), and a bit more mid-range torque.
I got my C2S new, in 1997. I recently had a little 'fettling' done - an AMD exhaust and intake upgrade, along with a re-map, and that has lifted the grin-factor much more than the 20 or so bhp would suggest.
I also have a 996 GT3 mk2, which is a wonderful track tool. But if I had to sell one of them, it wouldn't be the 993! It is just the sweetest drive on the public roads... (Ok, the GT3 is awesome, but it is completely anti-social to drive 'sportily' on public roads. And a good deal less comfortable, to boot!).
So the lower suspension doesn't ruin the ride, nor does it go looking for sleeping policement around Milton Keynes, like the GT3... I just Zymoled mine, and it just looks gorgeous... (It was the second time I hand-washed it since I bought it.... the first time was 8 years ago...)
Alan
Ocean Blue 993 C2S
Basalt 996 GT3
PS Glenn - if you want to give it a quick blast around, just PM me. I think you are local to me...
>> Edited by AlanPound on Thursday 8th September 16:07
Alan,
Thanks for this you have mail.
G.
clubsport said:
I just don't "get" the S versions of the 993
Ok of you like the looks, but surely yopu are going to drive one too?
C4S not much of a secondhand bargain compared to the car you will be wanting...a 993TT
The C2S is heavier, slower, less nimble and more expensive than the regular C2.
Other than the J-Lo rear end what is the appeal, please don't interpret this post as aggresive...it's not meant that way..just may lack of comprehension
I'll second that. Each to their own etc. but I've never quite seen the point of the widebodies.
Glenn
I think we had a conversation about this at the P Festival. I had a C2S before the GT3. It was a truly beautiful car and a superb road car. I did venture on the track a few times, but the car was not up to the job.
As a road car it is a great choice and looks the biz. I would choose it again (over a Turbo) and still wish I had had the funds to keep mine as well as the GT3.
Also, if you buy wisely they are near bomb proof on the depreciation front.
Mid 30k's should buy a really good one.
See you at Brands on Monday. Jonathan
I think we had a conversation about this at the P Festival. I had a C2S before the GT3. It was a truly beautiful car and a superb road car. I did venture on the track a few times, but the car was not up to the job.
As a road car it is a great choice and looks the biz. I would choose it again (over a Turbo) and still wish I had had the funds to keep mine as well as the GT3.
Also, if you buy wisely they are near bomb proof on the depreciation front.
Mid 30k's should buy a really good one.
See you at Brands on Monday. Jonathan
The 2S came standard with 17in Cup wheels. 18in Turbo Twists were optional on these cars - and the option provided the hollow spoke wheels from the TT.
The 4S camer with solid spoke Turbo twists - not the same as those found on the TTs.
The 2S was also a 97/98 model only (outgoing for the 993) - not sure what years the 4S started at...
And yes, I have a 2S
As for the price difference on the 2/4S and the TT - either I'm looking at the wrong cars or I just have a different perception of - 'not a lot of money' ;-)
The 4S camer with solid spoke Turbo twists - not the same as those found on the TTs.
The 2S was also a 97/98 model only (outgoing for the 993) - not sure what years the 4S started at...
And yes, I have a 2S
As for the price difference on the 2/4S and the TT - either I'm looking at the wrong cars or I just have a different perception of - 'not a lot of money' ;-)
simonharrod911 said:
Glenn,
Fascinated to hear your honesty about power delivery in your 996TT. Could you explain the statement in more detail, I'd be interested to know what you don't like about it?
Simon.
I think i am spoilt by the GT3 engine, where it revs to 8200rpm, and the pull is very linear through the range.
With the turbo, the initial pull is very slow, until around 3k then a big slug of torque which quickly runs out at around 5.5k.
It's all relative of course, i just can't get excited about it.
G.
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