Mich pilot CUPS V,s Dunlop SSR,s.???
Discussion
Sir,
I don't know what sizes you have in mind, but most now are or soon will be unavailable in the SSRs. Dunlop produced their last batches of the various sizes in '04. The 285/18 supplies seemed to be exhausted first, followed by a number of other sizes. You can still locate some of the others, but bear in mind that sooner rather than later all SSRs will be gone.
Dunlop claims that it is about to produce a superior tyre to succeed the SSR. The world awaits...
The Cup tyre is quicker - but also less forgiving - when the surface is warm and dry. In cooler conditions or in the wet the SSR is (was?) definitely superior.
I don't know what sizes you have in mind, but most now are or soon will be unavailable in the SSRs. Dunlop produced their last batches of the various sizes in '04. The 285/18 supplies seemed to be exhausted first, followed by a number of other sizes. You can still locate some of the others, but bear in mind that sooner rather than later all SSRs will be gone.
Dunlop claims that it is about to produce a superior tyre to succeed the SSR. The world awaits...
The Cup tyre is quicker - but also less forgiving - when the surface is warm and dry. In cooler conditions or in the wet the SSR is (was?) definitely superior.
Same price: I'd use Michelin Cups.
Actual price: I use SSR's.
However I do find that SSR's are closer to road tyres than the Cups and hence pretty forgiving on track, and in marginal wet conditions as they're more like an intermediate.
The Cups are faster wearing and not really for wet use, but on a nice sunny day only full slicks would be much better. One upside with the Cups is that they can be cut for wet use (but probably not on the day to workaround a shower!).
Guess you have a 968 so it's on 17's - Cups in a 16" size are relatively cheap & almost half the price of 17's...
Actual price: I use SSR's.
However I do find that SSR's are closer to road tyres than the Cups and hence pretty forgiving on track, and in marginal wet conditions as they're more like an intermediate.
The Cups are faster wearing and not really for wet use, but on a nice sunny day only full slicks would be much better. One upside with the Cups is that they can be cut for wet use (but probably not on the day to workaround a shower!).
Guess you have a 968 so it's on 17's - Cups in a 16" size are relatively cheap & almost half the price of 17's...
I would agree with the posts above - I have found Cups superior in the dry, but the SSRs better for all round weather use. Since I drive a fair bit at the NS that is the tyre I have been using most. But as Flemke says, the 285s that I need for my car are now sold out, so I have switched to Pirelli Corsa tyres (the track tyre, not the Corsa System). These are marginally cheaper than Cups (at least on the sizes I need), but seem excellent in the dry - on the NS they were fantastic. In the wet I would rate them between the SSRs and Cups - ie, not too bad on standing water, but more care needed than with the Dunlops.
One other advantage I've found with the Corsas is that they don't wear as quickly on the very inside edge on the rear tyres (I'm in a 911 - ie, a lot of weight on the back tyres) as the SSRs.
Regards
Steve
>> Edited by stefan1 on Saturday 29th October 14:43
One other advantage I've found with the Corsas is that they don't wear as quickly on the very inside edge on the rear tyres (I'm in a 911 - ie, a lot of weight on the back tyres) as the SSRs.
Regards
Steve
>> Edited by stefan1 on Saturday 29th October 14:43
aceparts_com said:The reason I asked is that many of my friends and I who run P's with increased neg camber for circuits have had excessive rear tyre wear on the inside edges.
Circuit and andy walsh day - my car did as well on standard road tyres. Can't beat them for price though!
More grip = more body roll = more outside edge wear = need more neg camber
>> Edited by aceparts_com on Thursday 3rd November 11:10
Whatever you do, make sure that you don't run on pressures that are too low. The more neg camber you have, the more serious this problem will be.
- Before leaving a circuit or asap after you've left, get your pressures back up to normal road level.
- Even if you're doing back-to-back track days with no road driving in between, raise your pressures after the first event. If you have let the pressures down and the tyres cool, if you then try to get them to correct hot pressure by driving on cool tyres on the circuit, you can damage the carcase. Reach correct hot pressures by lowering, not raising.
I haven't used SSRs (nor am I likely to) so I cant comment on those but I would recommend the Dunlop DO1Js.
They offer only marginaly less outright grip than MPSCs in corners and if pushed hard for a long session they do tend to go off a little but they seem better under braking where MPSCs do have a tendancy to lock up and are better in cold or damp conditions.
If it's raining proper you're probably better with standard road tyres.
all IMHO
They offer only marginaly less outright grip than MPSCs in corners and if pushed hard for a long session they do tend to go off a little but they seem better under braking where MPSCs do have a tendancy to lock up and are better in cold or damp conditions.
If it's raining proper you're probably better with standard road tyres.
all IMHO
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