Just test driven a Cayman S
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This means that I am now qualified to have an opinion! 
I was very impressed - really, really liked it.
Feels so solid and planted, the power delivery is smooth yet endlessly brutal, the steering positive and with tons of feedback and the brakes are razor sharp.
The model I tried had PASM too, which worked so, so well. Turned London's bumpy roads from lovely to hell, and on the country twisties, soppy to rock hard.
It is such a "nice" car to drive, yet when pushed feels like a tiny, highly chuckable, highly responsive, well powered, "proper" sports car.
What more does one want? EXCELLENT!!!
Oh, and it is so not a Boxster or a 911. Totally different. Like the Cayenne - different.
Big thumbs up, and happy having increased the milage on this car by 30% in one test drive
I was very impressed - really, really liked it.
Feels so solid and planted, the power delivery is smooth yet endlessly brutal, the steering positive and with tons of feedback and the brakes are razor sharp.
The model I tried had PASM too, which worked so, so well. Turned London's bumpy roads from lovely to hell, and on the country twisties, soppy to rock hard.
It is such a "nice" car to drive, yet when pushed feels like a tiny, highly chuckable, highly responsive, well powered, "proper" sports car.
What more does one want? EXCELLENT!!!
Oh, and it is so not a Boxster or a 911. Totally different. Like the Cayenne - different.
Big thumbs up, and happy having increased the milage on this car by 30% in one test drive
pikey said:
This means that I am now qualified to have an opinion!
I was very impressed - really, really liked it.
Feels so solid and planted, the power delivery is smooth yet endlessly brutal, the steering positive and with tons of feedback and the brakes are razor sharp.
The model I tried had PASM too, which worked so, so well. Turned London's bumpy roads from lovely to hell, and on the country twisties, soppy to rock hard.
It is such a "nice" car to drive, yet when pushed feels like a tiny, highly chuckable, highly responsive, well powered, "proper" sports car.
What more does one want? EXCELLENT!!!
Oh, and it is so not a Boxster or a 911. Totally different. Like the Cayenne - different.
Big thumbs up, and happy having increased the milage on this car by 30% in one test drive
sounds great but "brutal" with 295bhp/250lbft ?
Your report is good news to all Porsche fans!
But are you not concerned that Porsche will not sell you one with a limited slip differential? Or with an RMS problem-free GT1 engine for that matter!? Plus, are you not concerned about this awful labeling Clarkson has given it? ("Coxster"
The nickname is horrible, but so is the real name! At the end of the day, it's Boxster with a roof which is great. Such a shame Porsche are asking so much money for them!
From a drivers point of view, I don't understand why people would want one. The whole attraction of a Porsche was the very fact that the engine was in the rear which gave better braking, acceleration and more challenging cornering. The Boxster/Cayman are too accomplished and have tyres that are way too fat to play with the chassis.
My rant is over!
Enjoy your car!
Hope you don't suffer the RMS!
MK
But are you not concerned that Porsche will not sell you one with a limited slip differential? Or with an RMS problem-free GT1 engine for that matter!? Plus, are you not concerned about this awful labeling Clarkson has given it? ("Coxster"
The nickname is horrible, but so is the real name! At the end of the day, it's Boxster with a roof which is great. Such a shame Porsche are asking so much money for them!
From a drivers point of view, I don't understand why people would want one. The whole attraction of a Porsche was the very fact that the engine was in the rear which gave better braking, acceleration and more challenging cornering. The Boxster/Cayman are too accomplished and have tyres that are way too fat to play with the chassis.
My rant is over!
Enjoy your car!
Hope you don't suffer the RMS!
MK
pikey said:
sounds great but "brutal" with 295bhp/250lbft ?
I currently have an S2000 that you have to really, really work to get the power out of it. Work this engine as hard, and yes, its brutal. Not as brutal as my Cerbera, but then again few things in life are
I suppose comparison is the relevant factor here..
Although having also owned a Cerbie 4.5, would say that there is not much else out there, where I would describe the power as "brutal".
Exception.. my R.1 had "brutal" power delivery.
MadKipper said:
But are you not concerned that Porsche will not sell you one with a limited slip differential? Or with an RMS problem-free GT1 engine for that matter!?
No, not at all. Its a great car as it is. It could be better, it could be faster, but so can most things. My S2000 has 240bhp from its 2.0 engine. This thing has a 3.0 engine with 295 bhp - OF COURSE its not as quick as it could be, but so what? Its still VERY fast. If I bought one and had a real problem with it not having such power / LSD then I'm sure it could be added!
MadKipper said:
Plus, are you not concerned about this awful labeling Clarkson has given it? ("Coxster"
:HEHE: Anyone who buys a car soley on whether Clarkon says they should is a dick!! Good entertainer, and great show, but he doesn't do much in terms of professional car reviews does he? His "all Porsche drivers are cocks" line is getting a bit tired.
MadKipper said:
At the end of the day, it's Boxster with a roof which is great. Such a shame Porsche are asking so much money for them!
Mr Kipper Sir, you are clearly mad! To that I would respond thusly (in my best Danish): HORSESH&T!
Apart from the paper differences (like it shares 30% components with the Boxster and 50% with the 997), try test drving the Boxster, then the Cayman - they look, feel and handle totally differently. I don't see why people look at the front, and then say "oh well those 3 panels are the same", then look inside and say "oh the dashboard and seat is the same", then note the engine's in the middle.... and say "yep, Boxster with a roof! Thats what it is!". THEN.. they say, "hang on, a coupe is normally less than a convertible... PORSCHE ARE RIPPING US OFF!!". Thing is, do some research and you'll note this is a different car. Some reviewers prefer the Boxster, which I can understand - thing is its simply not the same car.
MadKipper said:
From a drivers point of view, I don't understand why people would want one.
Some people like Micras, some like Yaris (or is it Yarii), some like Fiestas - they're all pretty much the same type of car. People like different things, and thats good.
MadKipper said:
The whole attraction of a Porsche was the very fact that the engine was in the rear which gave better braking, acceleration and more challenging cornering. The Boxster/Cayman are too accomplished and have tyres that are way too fat to play with the chassis.
Oh now I'm confused. I thought they had other points - like to pose in the 80s with red braces, Babycham and a mobile phone the size of a brick?! Nah - the 911 is a wonderful thing for many reasons
pikey said:
But are you not concerned that Porsche will not sell you one with a limited slip differential? Or with an RMS problem-free GT1 engine for that matter!?
No, not at all. Its a great car as it is. It could be better, it could be faster, but so can most things. My S2000 has 240bhp from its 2.0 engine. This thing has a 3.0 engine with 295 bhp - OF COURSE its not as quick as it could be, but so what? Its still VERY fast. If I bought one and had a real problem with it not having such power / LSD then I'm sure it could be added!
MadKipper said:
Plus, are you not concerned about this awful labeling Clarkson has given it? ("Coxster"
:HEHE: Anyone who buys a car soley on whether Clarkon says they should is a dick!! Good entertainer, and great show, but he doesn't do much in terms of professional car reviews does he? His "all Porsche drivers are cocks" line is getting a bit tired.
MadKipper said:
At the end of the day, it's Boxster with a roof which is great. Such a shame Porsche are asking so much money for them!
Mr Kipper Sir, you are clearly mad! To that I would respond thusly (in my best Danish): HORSESH&T!
Thing is, do some research and you'll note this is a different car. Some reviewers prefer the Boxster, which I can understand - thing is its simply not the same car.
MadKipper said:
From a drivers point of view, I don't understand why people would want one.
Some people like Micras, some like Yaris (or is it Yarii), some like Fiestas - they're all pretty much the same type of car. People like different things, and thats good.
MadKipper said:
The whole attraction of a Porsche was the very fact that the engine was in the rear which gave better braking, acceleration and more challenging cornering. The Boxster/Cayman are too accomplished and have tyres that are way too fat to play with the chassis.
Oh now I'm confused. I thought they had other points - like to pose in the 80s with red braces, Babycham and a mobile phone the size of a brick?! Nah - the 911 is a wonderful thing for many reasons
Good response, nothing like some friendly banter..
My local OPC dealer, is trying to get me to demo one.. he reckons I'll be very impressed.!
Might have to take him up on offer.
Kurgen_ said:
Good response, nothing like some friendly banter..
My local OPC dealer, is trying to get me to demo one.. he reckons I'll be very impressed.!
Might have to take him up on offer.
Ooh you should do. Even though they have a chat with you first... "now we're not going to do anything silly are we". He didn't seem amused when I pointed out there are shades of silly and which shade was he referring to?!
anonymous said:
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Err, yeah, but I can be confusing to understand
I used that as 2 comparisons on 2 different types of road:
In London, where the roads are sh*t, on the 'softer' setting the car was very nice, whereas on the 'harder' setting, it was horrible.
On the twisty back roads, the soft setting is good, but a little soft. Selecting the hard setting is instantly accompanied with a "that's better" grin as it firms right up.
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Apart from the paper differences (like it shares 30% components with the Boxster and 50% with the 997), try test drving the Boxster,
Thing is, do some research and you'll note this is a different car. Some reviewers prefer the Boxster, which I can understand - thing is its simply not the same car.
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Glad you enjoyed the car but i think you are getting carried away with Porsche marketing the Caymans internal factory model number is 987/C7, i think you'll find that the Cayman is based on the boxster platform with a stiffened chassis and a roof added with the same engine increased to 3.4l with vario cam plus added from the 996.
Apart from the paper differences (like it shares 30% components with the Boxster and 50% with the 997), try test drving the Boxster,
Thing is, do some research and you'll note this is a different car. Some reviewers prefer the Boxster, which I can understand - thing is its simply not the same car.
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Glad you enjoyed the car but i think you are getting carried away with Porsche marketing the Caymans internal factory model number is 987/C7, i think you'll find that the Cayman is based on the boxster platform with a stiffened chassis and a roof added with the same engine increased to 3.4l with vario cam plus added from the 996.
MadKipper said:
The whole attraction of a Porsche was the very fact that the engine was in the rear which gave better braking, acceleration and more challenging cornering. The Boxster/Cayman are too accomplished and have tyres that are way too fat to play with the chassis.
Oh now I'm confused. I thought they had other points - like to pose in the 80s with red braces, Babycham and a mobile phone the size of a brick?! Nah - the 911 is a wonderful thing for many reasons
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Easy does it there Trigger...Easy does it....
Ian
P.S. Buy, buy buy, sell....
looks like somone has been drawn into a sales pitch here, just remeber, when you pull up to a 911, dont think "I would love one of them" cos every other gayman owner will do the same, just think "I could of had one of them, faster, better handling, more respected, etc etc etc etc etc If I didnt fall for the sales Bulls|-|it.
the cayman did handle very well for me but was not challenging. I knew I was on the edge when i got to the first roundabout, with a 911 you have to learn and respect the car before you can "chuck" it round a bend, and I honestly think I could destroy it in my 911 on any course. any hairdresser could jump in the cayman and do the same as I did, in the 911 its a different story, you need to have some driving skills to drive it propperly.
you could always sell it and buy a real porsche though ? mabe loose some money in between but I suppose thats a by product of falling for a sales pitch, ypu really do live and learn, yes I have driven a cayman, was ok, but it was trying to be a 911, which its not, have fun all the same, most boxter owners are future 911 owners, I do hope you are one of them
enjoy it either way.
Edited to create some spelling mistakes
>> Edited by DucatiGary on Thursday 1st December 18:47
the cayman did handle very well for me but was not challenging. I knew I was on the edge when i got to the first roundabout, with a 911 you have to learn and respect the car before you can "chuck" it round a bend, and I honestly think I could destroy it in my 911 on any course. any hairdresser could jump in the cayman and do the same as I did, in the 911 its a different story, you need to have some driving skills to drive it propperly.
you could always sell it and buy a real porsche though ? mabe loose some money in between but I suppose thats a by product of falling for a sales pitch, ypu really do live and learn, yes I have driven a cayman, was ok, but it was trying to be a 911, which its not, have fun all the same, most boxter owners are future 911 owners, I do hope you are one of them
enjoy it either way.
Edited to create some spelling mistakes
>> Edited by DucatiGary on Thursday 1st December 18:47
Pikey,
Interesting review, you have to remember the crowd you're playing to, this is the 911 board, so some responses are going to be dismissive even though they haven't even driven the thing. Some even post stuff about RMS issues to try and justify their position. It makes them feel better about the 911 purchase/ownership.
Of course the 911 owners are going to say it’s a Boxster with a fixed roof, totally ignoring the difference in performance noted by independent tests, reviews and Porsches own figures. Boxster owners will do the same and list the lack of a soft top as only difference again ignoring the better 0-125mph time, one second behind the 997’s, a figure the BoxsterS can’t match and the more hardcore driving experience as Porsche marketing speak. The Cayman is based on the Boxster and shares some parts with the 911 too, I'm quite happy with this, because the Cayman owner will be getting some of the best bits from both cars, the engine will be in the right place for starter. The Boxster is often citied as one of the best handling cars you can buy, now add an even stiffer platform which will allow the suspension to work even better, then add some engine parts from the 997S (head and Vario cam unit).This all sounds like a good recipe to me
Clarkson has his own axe to grind when referring to Porsche’s in general and glossed over the very quick lap time with a smirk, which eclipsed the Porsche Boxster, 911 in different guises and some much more powerful and expensive machinery, in short he’s an arse when it comes to Porsche, the previous week he was making even more ridiculous comments about the 997 which carries not weight with me whatsoever either.
I’ve had a 911 and if I wanted another I’d buy one, but reading the last post before mine goes to show why Clarkson thinks cocks buy Porsches, 911 snobbery in its purest form. What makes you think the 911 handles better than Cayman?
Clarkson was right in one part of his review regarding the Cayman, the part about the Cayman fitting in between the 911 and the Boxster, exactly in the middle, it’s been design not to tread on the 911 toes but offer more than a Boxster S in performance terms. If Porsche have designed their new baby to be the middle ground, I’m pretty sure it’ll slot in as the company intended it to.
>> Edited by bumcrack on Thursday 1st December 23:21
Interesting review, you have to remember the crowd you're playing to, this is the 911 board, so some responses are going to be dismissive even though they haven't even driven the thing. Some even post stuff about RMS issues to try and justify their position. It makes them feel better about the 911 purchase/ownership.
Of course the 911 owners are going to say it’s a Boxster with a fixed roof, totally ignoring the difference in performance noted by independent tests, reviews and Porsches own figures. Boxster owners will do the same and list the lack of a soft top as only difference again ignoring the better 0-125mph time, one second behind the 997’s, a figure the BoxsterS can’t match and the more hardcore driving experience as Porsche marketing speak. The Cayman is based on the Boxster and shares some parts with the 911 too, I'm quite happy with this, because the Cayman owner will be getting some of the best bits from both cars, the engine will be in the right place for starter.
The Boxster is often citied as one of the best handling cars you can buy, now add an even stiffer platform which will allow the suspension to work even better, then add some engine parts from the 997S (head and Vario cam unit).This all sounds like a good recipe to me Clarkson has his own axe to grind when referring to Porsche’s in general and glossed over the very quick lap time with a smirk, which eclipsed the Porsche Boxster, 911 in different guises and some much more powerful and expensive machinery, in short he’s an arse when it comes to Porsche, the previous week he was making even more ridiculous comments about the 997 which carries not weight with me whatsoever either.
I’ve had a 911 and if I wanted another I’d buy one, but reading the last post before mine goes to show why Clarkson thinks cocks buy Porsches, 911 snobbery in its purest form. What makes you think the 911 handles better than Cayman?
Clarkson was right in one part of his review regarding the Cayman, the part about the Cayman fitting in between the 911 and the Boxster, exactly in the middle, it’s been design not to tread on the 911 toes but offer more than a Boxster S in performance terms. If Porsche have designed their new baby to be the middle ground, I’m pretty sure it’ll slot in as the company intended it to.
>> Edited by bumcrack on Thursday 1st December 23:21
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