PCCB Replacement / alternate for Carbon Ceramic Brakes
Discussion
Having talked to some people who expressed being disappointed with Porsche P.C.C.B. (noting Ferrari owners with similar problems on cost, performance and wear), has anyone any experience with System ST ( www.systemst.com ) ? They claim to have improved performance, lower cost and better wear characterstics on CFRC Carbon Ceramic Brakes than the OEM systems on offer, and are working with some OEM's now but offer systems for a number of cars (Porsche and Ferrari included amongst others ( Porsche World Magazine advert link www.systemst.com/downloads/news/Advert.pdf ). Any feedback anyone ?
Peter,
I'm guessing you work for Systemst.
You've only posted twice and you are directing people straight to this site.
I haven't got a problem with this, and accept my appologies if you have nothing to do with this company.
I would be interested. However if the price is £5-6 then I feel the cost is not worth the small benefit, that said at £2000 I would start to become very interested.
I'm guessing that over the next few years numerous companies will start to offer the same sort of ceramic brake packages.
Bottom line if Systemst are serious about getting people to try switch from steels then they need to offer a very good deal, especially if they want to establish themselves as a viable alternative.
I'm guessing you work for Systemst.
You've only posted twice and you are directing people straight to this site.
I haven't got a problem with this, and accept my appologies if you have nothing to do with this company.
I would be interested. However if the price is £5-6 then I feel the cost is not worth the small benefit, that said at £2000 I would start to become very interested.
I'm guessing that over the next few years numerous companies will start to offer the same sort of ceramic brake packages.
Bottom line if Systemst are serious about getting people to try switch from steels then they need to offer a very good deal, especially if they want to establish themselves as a viable alternative.
I've been through two pairs of front PCCBs and one pair of rear PCCBs on my tuned GT2 in 22,000 miles, have just switched to Alcons through JZ Machtech, but would love to go back to ceramic for the weight saving if they lasted.
I note that the cars that were used for testing them were:
Westfield Megabird, an Audi Allroad, a Ferrari F48 and a TVR Sagaris.
In my opinion none of these is heavy enough or powerful enough to really test a set of discs if you are going to use them on a much faster heavy car like a GT3, Turbo or GT2, especially tuned ones.
Would love to know if they'd last on my car, but at £5k I'm not gonna be a guinnea pig........
Here's what PCCB look like when the fibre coating wears off:
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Monday 2nd January 14:18
I note that the cars that were used for testing them were:
Westfield Megabird, an Audi Allroad, a Ferrari F48 and a TVR Sagaris.
In my opinion none of these is heavy enough or powerful enough to really test a set of discs if you are going to use them on a much faster heavy car like a GT3, Turbo or GT2, especially tuned ones.
Would love to know if they'd last on my car, but at £5k I'm not gonna be a guinnea pig........
Here's what PCCB look like when the fibre coating wears off:
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Monday 2nd January 14:18
You want some feedback???
Go find some ceramic users who track their cars and give them a set each.
Monitor the results and if they can provide a fix then come back here and watch your sales rise.
I think you may find this is how the floaters have gained popularity as the 'must have' brakes.
Go find some ceramic users who track their cars and give them a set each.
Monitor the results and if they can provide a fix then come back here and watch your sales rise.
I think you may find this is how the floaters have gained popularity as the 'must have' brakes.
Warranty on brakes is a nightmare. The chap you want to look after is the enthusiast who does 10,000 hard road miles a year and 1 or 2 track days. You'd happily give him a 24 month warranty. The people who end up claiming all the time are those doing 15-20 open pit lane track days a year. Those in category 2 know that they should be spending £250+ a day on brake wear but because they've spent a few grand on the kit, they feel that 1300kg car should have F1 braking, event after event, with no further expenditure. A Cup team would probably expect 3-4 20 lap races out of a set of discs. Why does Johnnie Roadcar expect 20 100+ lap track days from his, with a heavier car?
I agree with the post above. If SystemST want to spread the word about their discs, then they should give a few sets out.
SIDC used to do deals with manufacturers. They got a two page advertorial in the mag (read by 3500 owners) and a club member won the product in a competition. They did it for tyres, exhausts, all sorts of things. Maybe PCGB would do something similar. One good thoroughly satisfied customer on a bulletin board can be worth more than a whole year's mag advertising.
I hope SystemST crack the market (excuse the pun) as it looks like they have spent a shed load getting it right before coming to market. That's rare these days. But with such an expensive product (compared to alternatives) it needs solid support from respected 'trackdayers'.
No connection etc...
I agree with the post above. If SystemST want to spread the word about their discs, then they should give a few sets out.
SIDC used to do deals with manufacturers. They got a two page advertorial in the mag (read by 3500 owners) and a club member won the product in a competition. They did it for tyres, exhausts, all sorts of things. Maybe PCGB would do something similar. One good thoroughly satisfied customer on a bulletin board can be worth more than a whole year's mag advertising.
I hope SystemST crack the market (excuse the pun) as it looks like they have spent a shed load getting it right before coming to market. That's rare these days. But with such an expensive product (compared to alternatives) it needs solid support from respected 'trackdayers'.
No connection etc...
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