Questions about 993 RSs
Discussion
Over the last few days I saw two 993 RSs Germany and elsewhere in Europe.
One of them had once been involved in an accident but was repaired, but had no receipts. it had covered a low mileage but the service history had only 3 stamps in the book- 3 stamps in 10 years? Even with a low mileage I was under the impression that the car should be serviced anually?
This car is silver and about 10-15000 euros cheaper than going rate.
The other one is a 1 owner from new car, in red, fastidiously maintained, has had alot of money at Porsche spent on it- to get more power. I couldn't totally understand the receipts but it looked like the engine was brought up to clubsport spec- solid lifters instead of the hydraulics? I think this car was used hard as it has a cage and six point harnesses but it had been maintained with bills for 20,000 euros at a time!
This car is about 20,000 euros more expensive than the silver one.
My worry is that I'm not interested in doing track work- and it has a roll cage, six point harness and racing seats that don't recline along with rock hard suspension.
I'm assuming the roll cage can be removed easily- anyone know?
It isn't the type that has a diagonal bar across the door and doesn't seem to be welded in. I'm also assuming the seats can be swapped out just as easily for the "Kevlar" backed sport ones?
I reckon it's a better idea to go for a fastidiously maintained car, that doesn't meet my "comfort" requirements and change it to suit later? Any comments on this philosophy?
Why would Porsche change over to solid rocker arms over the hydraulic items? Are they the same items used on the older 3.2 litre 930-type Porsches?
Oh, and do the RSs have less underseal than their more humble 993 cousins?
I have the VIN numbers of the cars- anyone know where I can check their authenticity?
One of them had once been involved in an accident but was repaired, but had no receipts. it had covered a low mileage but the service history had only 3 stamps in the book- 3 stamps in 10 years? Even with a low mileage I was under the impression that the car should be serviced anually?
This car is silver and about 10-15000 euros cheaper than going rate.
The other one is a 1 owner from new car, in red, fastidiously maintained, has had alot of money at Porsche spent on it- to get more power. I couldn't totally understand the receipts but it looked like the engine was brought up to clubsport spec- solid lifters instead of the hydraulics? I think this car was used hard as it has a cage and six point harnesses but it had been maintained with bills for 20,000 euros at a time!
This car is about 20,000 euros more expensive than the silver one.
My worry is that I'm not interested in doing track work- and it has a roll cage, six point harness and racing seats that don't recline along with rock hard suspension.
I'm assuming the roll cage can be removed easily- anyone know?
It isn't the type that has a diagonal bar across the door and doesn't seem to be welded in. I'm also assuming the seats can be swapped out just as easily for the "Kevlar" backed sport ones?
I reckon it's a better idea to go for a fastidiously maintained car, that doesn't meet my "comfort" requirements and change it to suit later? Any comments on this philosophy?
Why would Porsche change over to solid rocker arms over the hydraulic items? Are they the same items used on the older 3.2 litre 930-type Porsches?
Oh, and do the RSs have less underseal than their more humble 993 cousins?
I have the VIN numbers of the cars- anyone know where I can check their authenticity?
Is the silver car the one that's been hanging around on mobile.de??
When I was looking for mine I got the details of loads of cars over the last few months and traced the history on all. I've fianlly settled on an original car (no mods, original panels, original paint) even though it isn't really the spec I wanted as it doesn't have AC - it's condition was too good to let it go. No big problem as at least I know the car is 100% straight.
Out of the two you've highlighted I'd too go for the one with the cage but in all honesty, even though these cars were built for the track, I'd look for one that lead a less stressed life. The cages (assuming you mean it's a half cage) is a bolt in affair - you may need to take out the seats though.
ETA: not sure about the reduced amount of underseal (although it would make sense considering it saves weight) but I believe Burzel is the guy to speak to about VIN numbers.
>> Edited by Sleep Envy on Friday 6th January 19:37
When I was looking for mine I got the details of loads of cars over the last few months and traced the history on all. I've fianlly settled on an original car (no mods, original panels, original paint) even though it isn't really the spec I wanted as it doesn't have AC - it's condition was too good to let it go. No big problem as at least I know the car is 100% straight.
Out of the two you've highlighted I'd too go for the one with the cage but in all honesty, even though these cars were built for the track, I'd look for one that lead a less stressed life. The cages (assuming you mean it's a half cage) is a bolt in affair - you may need to take out the seats though.
ETA: not sure about the reduced amount of underseal (although it would make sense considering it saves weight) but I believe Burzel is the guy to speak to about VIN numbers.
>> Edited by Sleep Envy on Friday 6th January 19:37
Sleep Envy said:
Is the silver car the one that's been hanging around on mobile.de??
When I was looking for mine I got the details of loads of cars over the last few months and traced the history on all. I've fianlly settled on an original car (no mods, original panels, original paint) even though it isn't really the spec I wanted as it doesn't have AC - it's condition was too good to let it go. No big problem as at least I know the car is 100% straight.
Out of the two you've highlighted I'd too go for the one with the cage but in all honesty, even though these cars were built for the track, I'd look for one that lead a less stressed life. The cages (assuming you mean it's a half cage) is a bolt in affair - you may need to take out the seats though.
ETA: not sure about the reduced amount of underseal (although it would make sense considering it saves weight) but I believe Burzel is the guy to speak to about VIN numbers.
>> Edited by Sleep Envy on Friday 6th January 19:37
Thanks, yes it IS the silver one- DID consider making a SILLY offer for the silver one, and then servicing it myself (not worrying about resale anymore) and modifying it myself- but I think good sense has prevailed.
Good point about the red one, it is also very highly priced- so I could try to barter him down a bit....
I can say with total conviction that neither car is the one for you Marquis. Looking for an RS is like looking for a new girlfriend/wife. You will KNOW when you have found the right one for you when you have got used to looking at cars with the attitude that you don't want to buy it, but on inspection you cannot find any reason not to.
Going back to the questions posed, the accident damaged car should be avoided unless you can get it inspected by a qualified repairer (or Autolign checked in the UK) and if substancially cheaper it could be a bargain. There are many accident repaired cars in circulation, but the stigma of one is too much for some to live with (but not myself).
The cage will simply unbolt from its mountings, but if you want to completely disguise its presence you will have to remove the interior trim in order to cut out the reinforcement plates then recarpet to cover up the repairs. The standard seats are expensive to source, but you should be able to do a swap with cash to spare from your old ones.
But why go to all this trouble when the right car is out there and just needs to be found?
As for mileage, don't be put off by relatively high numbers for cars used on the road. I would rather buy a 80,000km road car than a 40,000km track car, especially if it has been well looked after. Tom's red RS advertised on Pistonheads is a perfect example of this, I doubt that you will find a much better one in the UK.
Going back to the questions posed, the accident damaged car should be avoided unless you can get it inspected by a qualified repairer (or Autolign checked in the UK) and if substancially cheaper it could be a bargain. There are many accident repaired cars in circulation, but the stigma of one is too much for some to live with (but not myself).
The cage will simply unbolt from its mountings, but if you want to completely disguise its presence you will have to remove the interior trim in order to cut out the reinforcement plates then recarpet to cover up the repairs. The standard seats are expensive to source, but you should be able to do a swap with cash to spare from your old ones.
But why go to all this trouble when the right car is out there and just needs to be found?
As for mileage, don't be put off by relatively high numbers for cars used on the road. I would rather buy a 80,000km road car than a 40,000km track car, especially if it has been well looked after. Tom's red RS advertised on Pistonheads is a perfect example of this, I doubt that you will find a much better one in the UK.
Thanks for the comments ninemeister-The red car advertised in PH here does seem very nice. Is up for a similar price as my Turbo is. I think I should at least go and see it.
With its private plates it would seem almost a shame to re-register it back in Germany which is what I would be doing (I'm moving there-hence why LHD is no longer an issue for me).
Roy Garth, I am in no immediate hurry that's true.Probably important to remember that and not lose sight....
It would be nice to sell my 993tt before I move to Germany at the end of this month though-however if I don't - I could always wait and come back to sell it come summertime.
>> Edited by Marquis_Rex on Friday 6th January 23:13
With its private plates it would seem almost a shame to re-register it back in Germany which is what I would be doing (I'm moving there-hence why LHD is no longer an issue for me).
Roy Garth, I am in no immediate hurry that's true.Probably important to remember that and not lose sight....
It would be nice to sell my 993tt before I move to Germany at the end of this month though-however if I don't - I could always wait and come back to sell it come summertime.
>> Edited by Marquis_Rex on Friday 6th January 23:13
Done some resserch and I think the solid non-hydraulic rocker arms fitted to the 993 RS are probably racing cup/RSR items rather than the earlier 3.2 litre type.
This means they'll be difficult to adjust especially in situ.....even more difficult than the ones fitted to 911s of old!
Not being of a direct acting design- they'll probably need adjusting more frequently than something like a Jaguar V8....
This means they'll be difficult to adjust especially in situ.....even more difficult than the ones fitted to 911s of old!
Not being of a direct acting design- they'll probably need adjusting more frequently than something like a Jaguar V8....
No, I think you will find that the solid lifters used with 993 cup cams are just 964 items on a modified 993 rocker shaft, so no more difficult to adjust than the earlier 911.
There is an outside chance that the engine has Porsche motorsport followers, in which case they simply have a amaller 12mm a/f K-nut and a hollow 6 point torx adjuster screw, so again no more difficult to adjust than a standard follower.
Adjustment should be done at normal intervals, unless you track the car regularly in which case I recommend doing them once a year.
There is an outside chance that the engine has Porsche motorsport followers, in which case they simply have a amaller 12mm a/f K-nut and a hollow 6 point torx adjuster screw, so again no more difficult to adjust than a standard follower.
Adjustment should be done at normal intervals, unless you track the car regularly in which case I recommend doing them once a year.
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