What do you guys do with your current GT3 RS?
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This is question for the guys who have current GT3 RS and now ordered the 997GT3 RS. I just wondered if you part ex them with your OPC or sell them privately? The reason I ask is you don't buy a GT3 RS to do the school run or just motorway miles, surely you buy them to drive hard on various roads but mostly tracks i would have thought. So if you take them back to good old OPC when you want your new GT3 do you lose anymore money because its been used for what it was built for, ie hammering round tracks.
bund said:
Do expect that you will lose more money on it though because you have used it on tracks and not just poodling round your local sainsburys?
Why would anyone buy a GT3 RS if they did not plan to use it on the track
, if I was buying a GT3 RS it being tracked would not bother me as long as there was no major accident damage. 
If and when I ever part with my GT3 I will make a virtue of its track mileage, because with that has come a much higher level of care and maintenance than many every day motors. And I very much hope to sell it privately to someone who will appreciate it for what it is. Although, that said, I've got no chance anyway of an OPC buying it because not much is standard anymore!
I've got the feeling that a few of you guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. To suggest that a buyer of a used RS would want to buy anything other than an un-tracked lightly used car, flies in the face of common sence. Think of the hammer you give the gearbox, driveshafts, suspension take on a normal track day, let alone one where you get into the kitty litter. And who wants a car that's been taken apart every few weeks for replacements etc.
I don't think you should be under any such illusion. Track day cars will be worth less than those that aren't given such a spanking. Whether they've been built for it or not. We all want to marry a virgin.
I don't think you should be under any such illusion. Track day cars will be worth less than those that aren't given such a spanking. Whether they've been built for it or not. We all want to marry a virgin.
I bought an X 'press' RS, infact the very car used in the Top Gear TV show, so I knew it had taken a beating.
But it had also been looked after, and the price was right. So it didn't put me off personally.
Oh, and I can tell everyone in the pub I'm the stig driving it round the track
But it had also been looked after, and the price was right. So it didn't put me off personally.
Oh, and I can tell everyone in the pub I'm the stig driving it round the track
ph123 said:
I've got the feeling that a few of you guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. To suggest that a buyer of a used RS would want to buy anything other than an un-tracked lightly used car, flies in the face of common sence. Think of the hammer you give the gearbox, driveshafts, suspension take on a normal track day, let alone one where you get into the kitty litter. And who wants a car that's been taken apart every few weeks for replacements etc.
I don't think you should be under any such illusion. Track day cars will be worth less than those that aren't given such a spanking. Whether they've been built for it or not. We all want to marry a virgin.
You won't find a lightly used non tracked RS, if you do you'll certainly pay over the odds, so clearly you're in cloud cuckoo land!
ph123 said:
I've got the feeling that a few of you guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. To suggest that a buyer of a used RS would want to buy anything other than an un-tracked lightly used car, flies in the face of common sence. Think of the hammer you give the gearbox, driveshafts, suspension take on a normal track day, let alone one where you get into the kitty litter. And who wants a car that's been taken apart every few weeks for replacements etc.
I don't think you should be under any such illusion. Track day cars will be worth less than those that aren't given such a spanking. Whether they've been built for it or not. We all want to marry a virgin.
I think his less than tactful comment was intended to convey the cynicism of the marketplace, rather than imply the members on this forum are stupid (I hope). Clearly the herd mentality that drives market prices wants it all, a great car for a cheap price that's never been used. Those of us who are familiar with buying and owning these track biased cars know that's rather unlikely. I personally would be happy with a car that was tracked, since it has likely been much better cared for than someone that just drives their car and has someone else clean it at the weekend. My 11,000 mile car is still immaculate almost 3 years after I bought it, having been used mainly on track but serviced after every track outing. Where a normal car would have shown corrosion or a build up of road filth, my wheels are taken off and the hub/brakes cleaned at least once a month. I'd rather buy a car where I know how it's been used.
>> Edited by DoctorD on Tuesday 21st February 10:01
The other issue with cars like this, are what type of mileage they've had. That 4k minter may have spent every mile on track, as opposed to the 20k one which has done most of it on the road. The market will still pay a premium for the 4k one though.
Cars aren't fine wine however, they don't get better with age nor use, however I think a certain degree of track usage is factored into GT3 residuals. Lets not forget, it is about the most robust trackday car you can buy so one shouldn't need to be overly concerned.
"I promise you that they do exist.
It's to be expected that one would cost more - why shouldn't it?"
Yes of course they exist.
Why the assumption that a car that has ben tracked has been better looked after?
That may be true of some cars but you cannot make such a general statement, a guy could have one in his garage thats never been tracked and takes the wheels of and polished the brake pads every 37 minutes so what?
The tracked car (Heavily used) may well have had much more time spent on it but thats becuase its needs are much higher.
Also not wishing to upset anyone here the marrying avirgin point was about spot on, that is what 'Most' buys maybe new to the mark will want. If you are a good salesman then you can talk it away, but put it in the small adds against another car that says 400mls from dealer to trader (Gmund) you will lose every time.
It's to be expected that one would cost more - why shouldn't it?"
Yes of course they exist.
Why the assumption that a car that has ben tracked has been better looked after?
That may be true of some cars but you cannot make such a general statement, a guy could have one in his garage thats never been tracked and takes the wheels of and polished the brake pads every 37 minutes so what?
The tracked car (Heavily used) may well have had much more time spent on it but thats becuase its needs are much higher.
Also not wishing to upset anyone here the marrying avirgin point was about spot on, that is what 'Most' buys maybe new to the mark will want. If you are a good salesman then you can talk it away, but put it in the small adds against another car that says 400mls from dealer to trader (Gmund) you will lose every time.
Oddball RS said:Let's stay relaxed here.
"I promise you that they do exist.
It's to be expected that one would cost more - why shouldn't it?"
Yes of course they exist.
Why the assumption that a car that has ben tracked has been better looked after?
That may be true of some cars but you cannot make such a general statement.
Jpf40 made the reasonable comment that "You won't find a lightly-used, non-tracked RS, if you do you'll certainly pay over the odds". I replied to resolve the doubt, simply because about this minor detail I had direct knowledge.
I don't know to what "general statement" you're referring, but I'll make one here: other things being equal, you would always prefer a car that has not been regularly tracked.
Obviously brakes and tyres are consumables, so they're not an issue.
Engines and gearboxes can be rebuilt, but how do you know where they are in the life-cycle? That depends on how hard they've been used. It's not for nothing that a GT3 Cup engine has a recommended rebuild cycle of 80 hours. That wouldn't be very practical on a road car.
The same applies to dampers, clutches, suspension arms, diffs. The harder they're worked the shorter they live. Again, the reason that P. race cars are inspected and parts replaced on a lifed basis is because the parts don't last as long under hard use as they do under light use.
After a lot of track work the chassis itself will begin to tire and lost some of its stiffness. That's a tough one to replace.
Obviously it's not good to let a car sit idle for years without turning a wheel. It's not good to under-use the engine during running-in or to use the brakes so gently that they glaze over.
There's a balance to be struck. We would rather have a tracked car that has been well-driven and looked after fastidiously than we would have a street-only car that's been neglected - no kidding!
Anyone, however, who thinks that regularly pushing a car hard on a circuit has no effect on the expected life of its major components is imagining things.
My point was rather more simple. I assume the worst about any car, even one that seems apparently unused. Therefore taking two similarly low mileage cars, one of which had been routinely tracked (but maintained) and the other that was presumed to have led a sheltered life. I would would have little concern about the tracked car and would see the owners usage of it as a plus. Obviously you'd view each on a case by case basis. But I wouldn't view a 'never been tracked' comment as being the guarantee of a better car.
Am I alone in using my GT3 RS all the time?
Quite seriously, on occasion, I use it for commuting, shopping (lot of stuff fits behind the rollcage!), going out etc. That too in spite of weather conditions which have literally been snowing!
Outside the trackday season, blasting down an open road is the only chance you get to "fleetingly" sample what you *really* bought it for. All the same it's an ICON of a car and pootling along in central London, seeing it's reflection in a shop window, its difficult not to smile! (no posing comments please Dom/Daz/Guy/
!!)
After being in the "trade" for a bit, I've realised number of trackdays/mileage is simply no guarantee of anything at all. Ultimately, as long as the car makes the quoted power output (or close to, in Ferrari's case!) who gives a toss about previous usage.... the car's under warranty right??!!!
In my eyes correct power output + warranty is the right combination of NOT having been excessively killed on track and covering your arse for "normal" track usage for you to not need to worry - provided you buy your car from a dealer who's going to stand by you.......
And finally - to hell with residuals - life is just too short to worry about 'em!
PS. My OPC in London doesn't care about track usage. They just want the car to be standard when they sell it.
>> Edited by manu on Tuesday 21st February 12:46
>> Edited by manu on Tuesday 21st February 12:51
Quite seriously, on occasion, I use it for commuting, shopping (lot of stuff fits behind the rollcage!), going out etc. That too in spite of weather conditions which have literally been snowing!
Outside the trackday season, blasting down an open road is the only chance you get to "fleetingly" sample what you *really* bought it for. All the same it's an ICON of a car and pootling along in central London, seeing it's reflection in a shop window, its difficult not to smile! (no posing comments please Dom/Daz/Guy/
!!) After being in the "trade" for a bit, I've realised number of trackdays/mileage is simply no guarantee of anything at all. Ultimately, as long as the car makes the quoted power output (or close to, in Ferrari's case
!) who gives a toss about previous usage.... the car's under warranty right??!!! In my eyes correct power output + warranty is the right combination of NOT having been excessively killed on track and covering your arse for "normal" track usage for you to not need to worry - provided you buy your car from a dealer who's going to stand by you.......
And finally - to hell with residuals - life is just too short to worry about 'em!
PS. My OPC in London doesn't care about track usage. They just want the car to be standard when they sell it.
>> Edited by manu on Tuesday 21st February 12:46
>> Edited by manu on Tuesday 21st February 12:51
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