997 GT3 Figures leaked and its fast as £$%$^

[mrdemon]

415 BHP
298 ft/lbs

and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-)
1395kg's
and massive 305 rear tyres


ok then ill have Two.

[simonharrod911]

0-100 figure is blisteringly quick.

I think it's the car that's kept me with Porsche and away from the dark side.

[mikeg996]

Yeah, but it's got a sunroof option so I won't be buying it. Diluting the experience. It'll probably have seats as well. And windows. Evil. EVIL I TELL YOU.

[murcielago_boy]

mikeg996 said:

Yeah, but it's got a sunroof option so I won't be buying it. Diluting the experience. It'll probably have seats as well. And windows. Evil. EVIL I TELL YOU.

Point taken
But the sunroof/cruise control/heated seats etc are just not in keeping with the supposed hardcore nature of a 911 carrying the GT3 badge. That's stuff for old men.

[mrdemon]

its not a sun roof that was an very old story.

but you can have a club sport pack with carrera GT style Carbon seats
and a roll cage

[steve rance]

mrdemon said:

415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two.

1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.

[jcosh]

steve rance said:

mrdemon said: 415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two. 1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.

Hi Steve

I don't disagree with that.

However, if our understanding and interpretation of the spec is correct the new GT3 is not likely to be a pure track day car. PASM etc would suggest that it will be a bit of a high brid. Hopefully the RS version will address the pure track day car requirements.... Let's wait and see.

Hope all is well. Jonathan.

[superlightr]

8.7 0-100 OMG if that is true that is awsome. Must be savage and head snapping.

My little Caterham 7 did 0-100 in about 10.5 which I thought was quick!

[simonharrod911]

steve rance said:

mrdemon said: 415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two. 1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.

Let's be honest, a 911 is not a trackday car. It's an enthusiast's sports car which can be driven on the track, as can a Rover 600. People choose 911s as trackday toys because they love the marque, and presumably are extremely wealthy. A vehicle such as a Radical or a powerful Caterham would chew up and spit out any 911 on any circuit.

I'm thinking of buying a GT3 and I'd love to take it on the track to learn about the car and my inability to drive it, but only because I love 911s as road cars, not because I think it's the best track car around.

[glenn mcmenamin]

simonharrod911 said:

steve rance said: mrdemon said: 415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two. 1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable. Let's be honest, a 911 is not a trackday car. It's an enthusiast's sports car which can be driven on the track, as can a Rover 600. People choose 911s as trackday toys because they love the marque, and presumably are extremely wealthy. A vehicle such as a Radical or a powerful Caterham would chew up and spit out any 911 on any circuit. I'm thinking of buying a GT3 and I'd love to take it on the track to learn about the car and my inability to drive it, but only because I love 911s as road cars, not because I think it's the best track car around.

Beg to differ here Simon.


But each to their own .


G.

[simonharrod911]

glenn mcmenamin said:

simonharrod911 said: steve rance said: mrdemon said: 415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two. 1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable. Let's be honest, a 911 is not a trackday car. It's an enthusiast's sports car which can be driven on the track, as can a Rover 600. People choose 911s as trackday toys because they love the marque, and presumably are extremely wealthy. A vehicle such as a Radical or a powerful Caterham would chew up and spit out any 911 on any circuit. I'm thinking of buying a GT3 and I'd love to take it on the track to learn about the car and my inability to drive it, but only because I love 911s as road cars, not because I think it's the best track car around. Beg to differ here Simon. But each to their own . G.

Go on Glen, I'd be interested in your opinion.

[Broccers]

mrdemon said:

415 BHP 298 ft/lbs and 0 to 100 mph in 8.7 seconds now thats fast :-) 1395kg's and massive 305 rear tyres ok then ill have Two.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 415
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1395
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 302.27
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.06
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.92
60 - 100 (Secs) : 4.86
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.25
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.18
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.15
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 118.52

www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

This is without a driver.

[shoestring7]

How do you know the 1395kg is w/o driver? I was under the impression Porsche weighed their cars (and ran performance figures) 2 up and full of fuel etc?

SS7

[abarber]

According to Autocar(!) it's only 15kgs heavier than the old car and more creature comforts was apparently the result of customer focus groups.

[AndrewD]

I agree with your sentiment Simon in as much as you'll find quicker track cars than a GT3, but that doesn't mean the GT3 isn't a track car. I don't drive mine as much as my SR3 on track, it is a completely different experience, but nevertheless a great track car IMHO

[lemon yella rs]

I would guess it depends on your definition of trackday car. If outright speed and lap time is your definition then yes maybe you have a point. But then of course there would be only one true track day car, the one with the quickest laptime. Fact is that there are various cars all capable of being very good track day cars. I.e. suitable for taking on track and enjoying. Some are built that way from the beginning (radical) some are built or developed from road cars to make them suitable for the track, GT3. With the best will in the world it would be difficult to call a 911 RSR a road car (for starters it's not road legal) likewise back in the days when rover produced touring cars it would be difficult to call those road cars after modification. The 911 GT3 and RS derivatives have been (as have previous 911's with track day and racing homologation in mind) designed for track day use and indeed racing. The fact that they happen to be road cars is immaterial IMHO.
Finally if I am anything to go by your presumtions fall way short, unfortunately.

[simonharrod911]

Remember my comments where in response to Steve's "1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.".

Not saying they're not great on the track, just saying if ultimate performance is your goal, and by Steve saying the 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable I imagine it is his, other cheaper cars are better.

[DanH]

simonharrod911 said:

Remember my comments where in response to Steve's "1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.". Not saying they're not great on the track, just saying if ultimate performance is your goal, and by Steve saying the 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable I imagine it is his, other cheaper cars are better.

Depends what you mean by better. In terms of car that requires no dicking around with trailors, doesn't fry it's brakes after 2 laps, has very good pace, can get you there and back in decent comfort, can be enjoyed on the road & etc. I don't think much comes close.

If there was a cheaper option that did all that, I'd have taken it.

[simonharrod911]

DanH said:

simonharrod911 said: Remember my comments where in response to Steve's "1395kgs is too heavy. Factor in a cage and extinuisher and you are well over 1400kgs. Just too expensive a proposition for a track day car. The 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable.". Not saying they're not great on the track, just saying if ultimate performance is your goal, and by Steve saying the 996 RS was on the limit of acceptable I imagine it is his, other cheaper cars are better. Depends what you mean by better. In terms of car that requires no dicking around with trailors, doesn't fry it's brakes after 2 laps, has very good pace, can get you there and back in decent comfort, can be enjoyed on the road & etc. I don't think much comes close. If there was a cheaper option that did all that, I'd have taken it.

Fair point, didn't think about those issues.

[steve rance]

I'm sure that the dynamics of the car will be excellent, it will be quick but will eat tyres and pads at an even more alarming rate than the 996 - which was bad enough. I got through a set of tyres every 3 - 4 track days. In standard set up I got through a set of cups in one day at Bedford. I accept that you can't have it all ways and the lap times of a well set up GT3 are incredible when compared to other tin tops but at 1325-1350 KG the 996RS was always going to be hard on consumables. If the new car is 1400KG and has shorter gearing - as I suspect - the track running costs will be hideous.

There is an argument for buying a MK2 996GT3 and spending 10k on JRZ suspension, brembo floating discs and the excellent Manthay 410 engine upgrade. You'd get a car that will almost definately out perform the 997 on the track for 20K less and it will cost a lot less to run.