993 - just not getting it!
Discussion
OK, so had my first drive of a 993 yesterday. Yes, it felt very planted, yes it had the power but it did not have the wow experience I was expecting. Dearest Henry F once took me out in a 964 and that IMHO was a better drive (or was it the hynotic tones of Mr. F - "Milage is nothing.....buy on condition etc.)
I guess the 996/993 debate and the discussions over value come down to supply and demand. There seems to be a lot of tired 993s commanding not that much less that better examples. On a 996 one worries about RMS (which is not that big a deal) but with most 993s I fear it is one a matter of time before the rear windscreen has to be replaced, or the door straps and how long are they all away from to end/suspension rebuilts. They are not faultless.
The drive home in my Boxster was exceptional. That car never fails to please and with the prices as they are has to be the bargain car of the decade.
I guess the 996/993 debate and the discussions over value come down to supply and demand. There seems to be a lot of tired 993s commanding not that much less that better examples. On a 996 one worries about RMS (which is not that big a deal) but with most 993s I fear it is one a matter of time before the rear windscreen has to be replaced, or the door straps and how long are they all away from to end/suspension rebuilts. They are not faultless.
The drive home in my Boxster was exceptional. That car never fails to please and with the prices as they are has to be the bargain car of the decade.
POORCARDEALER said:
993 good car but not worth the massive premium over a 964.
That is kind of it......after all the rave reviews I expected to be blown away. I still think the 993 Turbo is on of the best looking cars on the planet.....and I will have a 993 in my garage at some stage...but not now.
"So you drove a ten year old sports car and it doesn't rock your boat. You are right that due to their age most need some money spent on them. They are an extremely engaging car to drive. It sounds like it is not for you."
Piper, I have budget 2-3k per annum for repairs and improvements (RSR exhaust etc.)and really wanted to be engaged more. Maybe it was that car and I will look on, but the 996 is looking more appealing just now. I had a test drive in a Noble a few months back and that really stirred the juices.
Please don't turn this into a knocking thread. I love to read other persons experiences of cars, good and bad, and am just adding to the debate.
>> Edited by Irish on Sunday 26th February 20:00
Let me try and better articulate the comments that I made in my hurriedly typed post earlier in the day.
You currently drive what is widely acknowledged as one of the most accomplished sports cars on the road. It is relatively modern, it has finesse in its handling and lightweight modern controls. I doubt very much that you would find any ten year old car a revelation no matter what it's pedigree. The 993s controls and responses are from another era. It's altogether more raw and earthy. You may find this engaging, I do on fast back road blats, or you may find this a pain ( I do on motorway journeys and stop start traffic). For some people it hits the mark for others it doesn't. I'm vey much a 993 man and love looking at, driving, washing and maintaining mine. However, I am not so "tunnel visioned" as to suggest that it is going to excite everybody.
Some interesting observations on 964s. The time I was looking ( about eighteen months ago). The later 964s were priced very closely to 993s. The general view was why bother with a late 964 when you could get a 993 for a bit more. Perhaps, the price differential has opened up since then.
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You currently drive what is widely acknowledged as one of the most accomplished sports cars on the road. It is relatively modern, it has finesse in its handling and lightweight modern controls. I doubt very much that you would find any ten year old car a revelation no matter what it's pedigree. The 993s controls and responses are from another era. It's altogether more raw and earthy. You may find this engaging, I do on fast back road blats, or you may find this a pain ( I do on motorway journeys and stop start traffic). For some people it hits the mark for others it doesn't. I'm vey much a 993 man and love looking at, driving, washing and maintaining mine. However, I am not so "tunnel visioned" as to suggest that it is going to excite everybody.
Some interesting observations on 964s. The time I was looking ( about eighteen months ago). The later 964s were priced very closely to 993s. The general view was why bother with a late 964 when you could get a 993 for a bit more. Perhaps, the price differential has opened up since then.
pp
POORCARDEALER said:
993 good car but not worth the massive premium over a 964.
I'm tempted to agree if comparing top-end NA 993s with a good 964. I'm not convinced they're worth a 50% premium... (assuming 30k top-end 993 vs 20k 964) However, as long as the 993 has had all the necessary work done (ie, new suspension, new clutch, etc), a high mileage 993 at <22k might be a better bet than a mint 964 at 20k.
I think Turbos are a better comparison where the 964 claws back the premium differential... especially with the 964 3.6 Turbo 2 vs a 993TT... For me I'd take the Turbo 2 over the TT... Turbo2 = ultimate old-skool Turbo.
>> Edited by polarexpress on Monday 27th February 00:24
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