This RSM thing
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Okay, i've been reading the forum, so im aware of the facts, or at least the scaremongering... so dont shout about it being a common question...
I understand its about an oil leak between the gearbox and engine...
But, when im shopping for a 996, how can i check for this being an issue...
obviously it being changed with the clutch would be a good sign (when does the clutch normally need changing?) But apart from the telltale puddle, what can i look out for to make sure its not an issue?
Edit: D'oh! RMS/RSM whatever
>> Edited by fidgits on Sunday 7th May 18:41
I understand its about an oil leak between the gearbox and engine...
But, when im shopping for a 996, how can i check for this being an issue...
obviously it being changed with the clutch would be a good sign (when does the clutch normally need changing?) But apart from the telltale puddle, what can i look out for to make sure its not an issue?
Edit: D'oh! RMS/RSM whatever
>> Edited by fidgits on Sunday 7th May 18:41
Ask if it's ever been changed and documented. The previous owner of mine had to have it replaced before they'd put a warranty on it.
Could still happen again though.
Look for an oil patch under the car if it's been parked somewhere regulalry. Get it professionally inspected, and it should be picked up.
Not the end of the world if it does happen, won't kill then engine.
Could still happen again though.
Look for an oil patch under the car if it's been parked somewhere regulalry. Get it professionally inspected, and it should be picked up.
Not the end of the world if it does happen, won't kill then engine.
Not me .. 48k on the car , still (I think) on the first clutch , and got the 111 check done in Jan. with no mention from Porsche of any leakage .
It's not a problem , It's a management issue .. If I found mine leaking tomorrow , it wouldn't bother me .. The clutch will need to be done in the next while anyway , the seal only costs a few pence extra once the clutch is being done.
And for your survey ... Ive got three colleagues who run 996's or 986's with NO seal leakage , but a pal of mine running a 993 has an oily garage floor .....
It's not a problem , It's a management issue .. If I found mine leaking tomorrow , it wouldn't bother me .. The clutch will need to be done in the next while anyway , the seal only costs a few pence extra once the clutch is being done.
And for your survey ... Ive got three colleagues who run 996's or 986's with NO seal leakage , but a pal of mine running a 993 has an oily garage floor .....
ballcock said:993's leaking oil, how dare you sir. To even consider mentioning such a thing of the hallowed 993 marks you as cad and no mistake. There'll be tears before bedtime at this rate
Not me .. 48k on the car , still (I think) on the first clutch , and got the 111 check done in Jan. with no mention from Porsche of any leakage .
It's not a problem , It's a management issue .. If I found mine leaking tomorrow , it wouldn't bother me .. The clutch will need to be done in the next while anyway , the seal only costs a few pence extra once the clutch is being done.
And for your survey ... Ive got three colleagues who run 996's or 986's with NO seal leakage , but a pal of mine running a 993 has an oily garage floor .....
not me either: not a drip before the clutch was replaced, not a drip since the clutch (and logically the RMS too) was replaced. dry as a bone.
moreover, if it was suddenly wet, i wouldn't go to pieces. its just a rubber seal thats dripping. not gushing. its not a broken piston. parts wear out, rubber perishes. and from time to time things will need replacing. so, if it happens id get it replaced. just like i would if anything else started to let go. its called 'upkeep' and its to be expected. or at least, thats what i think.
perhaps I'm too much the engineer, but i genuinely don't understand why folk get so stressed out about this. tyres wear out too, yet nobody deems Porsche 996's 'the ones that suffer from tyre exhaustion'. all moving parts, most especially ones that are made from perishables, tend to perish. its kinda what they're for. and before anyone jumps up and down and tells me that its 'a high priced sports car and therefore shouldn't go wrong, ever', riddle me this: can you think of another way of sealing the aperture, given its requirements and specific environment that wouldn't perish over time? I'm sorry to tell you folks, but as bright as you all are, Porsche are brighter. this is after all, what they do.
most of all though, Ive yet *waits to be instantly corrected* to hear of engine letting go totally due to this leakage. and, if any have failed i would wager it was as much due to a lack of care and rudimentary observation as anything else: if you show a duty of care to your car you notice diminishing oil levels and pressures. and if you don't do this and ignore all onboard warning systems to simply blame the RMS (and by extension, Porsche) is about as dumb as blaming your penis for getting a dose from a dockside hooker. the signs are there, all you need do is pay heed to them and act accordingly.
we do ourselves no favours keeping going over this gang, as a fairly prominent online resource the fact that we seem to spend hours of every day talking about this is actually, literally, costing us money. ironically, i would wager that our forever bleating about it, despite it being statistically rare ,is actually costing us ALL more in resale values than the actual cost of the repair. i for one am not overly pleased that i have to factor this into my sale price, just because we cant all just accept that, occasionally, things break, regardless of the purchase price.
so, lets give it a rest shall we, good people? were lucky to have what we have and blessed to be able to enjoy it as much as we do. if the price of this benefit is the occasional mechanical need, i reckon its worth it.
moreover, if it was suddenly wet, i wouldn't go to pieces. its just a rubber seal thats dripping. not gushing. its not a broken piston. parts wear out, rubber perishes. and from time to time things will need replacing. so, if it happens id get it replaced. just like i would if anything else started to let go. its called 'upkeep' and its to be expected. or at least, thats what i think.
perhaps I'm too much the engineer, but i genuinely don't understand why folk get so stressed out about this. tyres wear out too, yet nobody deems Porsche 996's 'the ones that suffer from tyre exhaustion'. all moving parts, most especially ones that are made from perishables, tend to perish. its kinda what they're for. and before anyone jumps up and down and tells me that its 'a high priced sports car and therefore shouldn't go wrong, ever', riddle me this: can you think of another way of sealing the aperture, given its requirements and specific environment that wouldn't perish over time? I'm sorry to tell you folks, but as bright as you all are, Porsche are brighter. this is after all, what they do.
most of all though, Ive yet *waits to be instantly corrected* to hear of engine letting go totally due to this leakage. and, if any have failed i would wager it was as much due to a lack of care and rudimentary observation as anything else: if you show a duty of care to your car you notice diminishing oil levels and pressures. and if you don't do this and ignore all onboard warning systems to simply blame the RMS (and by extension, Porsche) is about as dumb as blaming your penis for getting a dose from a dockside hooker. the signs are there, all you need do is pay heed to them and act accordingly.
we do ourselves no favours keeping going over this gang, as a fairly prominent online resource the fact that we seem to spend hours of every day talking about this is actually, literally, costing us money. ironically, i would wager that our forever bleating about it, despite it being statistically rare ,is actually costing us ALL more in resale values than the actual cost of the repair. i for one am not overly pleased that i have to factor this into my sale price, just because we cant all just accept that, occasionally, things break, regardless of the purchase price.
so, lets give it a rest shall we, good people? were lucky to have what we have and blessed to be able to enjoy it as much as we do. if the price of this benefit is the occasional mechanical need, i reckon its worth it.
Yeah, but isn't your new toy built on a 993 bottom end Nervy?
Edited to add: Or is that just the TTs?
My Nissan had RMS failure for two years... Never touched it, topped the oil up occasionally and that was it. Sure it was a shed, but the seals don't fail catastrophically as a rule.
>> Edited by BliarOut on Sunday 7th May 21:49
Edited to add: Or is that just the TTs?
My Nissan had RMS failure for two years... Never touched it, topped the oil up occasionally and that was it. Sure it was a shed, but the seals don't fail catastrophically as a rule.
>> Edited by BliarOut on Sunday 7th May 21:49
BliarOut said:
Yeah, but isn't your new toy built on a 993 bottom end Nervy?
don't know. don't care. its made of materials, just like all engines, and is therefore susceptible to wear. i wont be surprised if it gets worn.
i do hear tell that 993's leak, too. and i know from experience that Subaru's do too. and now you mention that Nissan's do as well? gosh: could it be that the 996 isn't the only car in the world with this 'design fault'? never! now what will we all talk about? cos, of course, without the RMS threads, we wont have need of the endless 'do i need a warranty?' threads. that only leaves us 'all boxster drivers are gay' and even ill admit thatll run tired pretty quickly.
Ted, you may as well close this forum now.
magic torch said:
How about a RMS FAQ sticky thread?
All new visitors would see it, and we wouldn't keep going round in circles.
Then we've got more time to chat about what great cars they are.
and, like a bolt from out of the blue, Magic Torch stepped up and made this place less like a conversation with an Alzheimer's patient.
I second what he said. same goes for the warranty guff.
magic torch said:
How about a RMS FAQ sticky thread?
All new visitors would see it, and we wouldn't keep going round in circles.
Then we've got more time to chat about what great cars they are.
try using your search, there is a thread on RMS that started pretty grim with 3 or 4 people complaing and then it turns into the PCGB statistics that where compiled of user records from UK and from rennlist and ta dah, it turns out that RMS is only a very very small issue that is as common on other cars if not more so.
did I tell you RMS nearly killed me the other week?
well thats another story.
Dunno guys .. I think we haven't looked into this RMS issue properly ..
For starters .......
It's very important that people start posting about the RMS problems they are having with their 997's , with as much pomp and hype as they can muster ...
It'd be important to throw in a couple of mysterious blown engines too and other blaggery...........................
Otherwise I'll never bloody afford one!!
For starters .......
It's very important that people start posting about the RMS problems they are having with their 997's , with as much pomp and hype as they can muster ...
It'd be important to throw in a couple of mysterious blown engines too and other blaggery...........................
Otherwise I'll never bloody afford one!!
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