What's wrong with this 993...?
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Has any of you kind gents 'round here an idea? this 993 seems mispriced...or am i misstaken?
www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/75884.htm
www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/75884.htm
High mileage and no air con - can't see the aircon compressor on the right side of the engine.
No air con is a *real* pain in the arse on 993s (even though the standard fit aircon is pretty weak anyway) - especially on Aventura with black leather - I have Aventura with grey leather and still need the aircon *big* style in summer.
The mileage wouldn't put me off if the engine was strong but I'd never touch a 993 without aircon.
No air con is a *real* pain in the arse on 993s (even though the standard fit aircon is pretty weak anyway) - especially on Aventura with black leather - I have Aventura with grey leather and still need the aircon *big* style in summer.
The mileage wouldn't put me off if the engine was strong but I'd never touch a 993 without aircon.
paulburrell said:
Aventura is also not everyone's cup of tea either. Some people just don't like green cars.
Oi - it looks bloody lovely
My girlfriend only realised mine was green last weekend when I polished it for the first time, she thought it was grey when I bought it a couple of years ago
It's a very subtle colour, Aventura.... POORCARDEALER said:
black interiors attract/absorb heat, where as a white interior would reflect heat away, hence lots of white cars in hot climates
sorry, thats shaky science at its best. i saw a test of this recently, and the heat differential between the two colours (related to both its interior and exterior colour) was less than 2 degrees.
leather gets hot, irrespective of its colour.
I am sure that this is the car that I saw at Autobahn in Coventry a while back. The price is low for the reasons stated; Aventura is probably the least desireable colour, also lack of AC knocks about £1500 of the price (IMO) and then there's the high mileage.
All in all it doesn't have a lot going for it. IIRC it just didn't have any "prescence" at all.
The wheels may also be 16" rather than the more desireable 17"
pp
>> Edited by Pickled Piper on Monday 8th May 17:45
All in all it doesn't have a lot going for it. IIRC it just didn't have any "prescence" at all.
The wheels may also be 16" rather than the more desireable 17"
pp
>> Edited by Pickled Piper on Monday 8th May 17:45
The main things I can see are:
16inch alloys( looks deardfull) not 17'
Non sports seats
No air con
Miles
However if you are looking for a 993 my I suggest the following :
www.pistonheads.com/sales/70879.htm
Shameless plugg asits mine prepares for flaming !!!!
>> Edited by phib on Monday 8th May 17:44
16inch alloys( looks deardfull) not 17'
Non sports seats
No air con
Miles
However if you are looking for a 993 my I suggest the following :
www.pistonheads.com/sales/70879.htm
Shameless plugg asits mine prepares for flaming !!!!
>> Edited by phib on Monday 8th May 17:44
Miles would be too high for me and the 'pram wheels' a real no no.
17"in cups a must. Having just spent a few quid on mine and refurb'd the air con, I would say air con is a must.
I've also just lowered mine and with the 17" cups, looks the dogs doodahs!!Cyberface - my Cargraphic sports exhaust arrives tomorrow and I can't wait.
Add that to my Xenon's, that's about £2K I've just spent. Don't tell the missus, I've told her we need to downsize her Jeep as it's just wasting money!!! Shhhhhh!
17"in cups a must. Having just spent a few quid on mine and refurb'd the air con, I would say air con is a must.
I've also just lowered mine and with the 17" cups, looks the dogs doodahs!!Cyberface - my Cargraphic sports exhaust arrives tomorrow and I can't wait.
Add that to my Xenon's, that's about £2K I've just spent. Don't tell the missus, I've told her we need to downsize her Jeep as it's just wasting money!!! Shhhhhh!
i learned a lot just from reading the replies - and in some way that scares me. why? say i was about to part with £20+k anytime soon on a 911 i might (just about) be able to avoid common technical problems by going through a specialist dealer or maybe have it 'sourced' by someone (Adrian Crawford, maybe...?)
But the 'softer' factors such as importance of air condition, wheel size, etc - how am i going to know what's good when the time of purchase comes?
I like opinionated people like you guys, i think i need some more of this... it really helps!
But the 'softer' factors such as importance of air condition, wheel size, etc - how am i going to know what's good when the time of purchase comes?
I like opinionated people like you guys, i think i need some more of this... it really helps!
stouffer said:
Miles would be too high for me and the 'pram wheels' a real no no.
17"in cups a must. Having just spent a few quid on mine and refurb'd the air con, I would say air con is a must.
I've also just lowered mine and with the 17" cups, looks the dogs doodahs!!Cyberface - my Cargraphic sports exhaust arrives tomorrow and I can't wait.
Add that to my Xenon's, that's about £2K I've just spent. Don't tell the missus, I've told her we need to downsize her Jeep as it's just wasting money!!! Shhhhhh!
Hey - hope you enjoy them, they sound excellent on my car! Not to derail the thread, but where did you get the Xenons, are they good, prices, etc. - my lights are pretty weak and one of the lenses is cracked, so I'm tempted to get a full upgrade...
freemax said:
i learned a lot just from reading the replies - and in some way that scares me. why? say i was about to part with £20+k anytime soon on a 911 i might (just about) be able to avoid common technical problems by going through a specialist dealer or maybe have it 'sourced' by someone (Adrian Crawford, maybe...?)
But the 'softer' factors such as importance of air condition, wheel size, etc - how am i going to know what's good when the time of purchase comes?
I like opinionated people like you guys, i think i need some more of this... it really helps!
Freemax,
It's neither Rocket Science nor a Black Art. Take a look at a few, drive a few, study the dealers ads and stocklists and use this forum.
pp
Cyberface - those lovely chaps at Ninemeister fitted them for me. £299 for the Kit and about £100 to fit. A huge improvement in light and the blue tinge looks great. The only 'downside' and I'm being very picky is that the side lights are the usual creamy white light and the full lights are 'bluey' white. It would be nice to match them up. I am a complete fussy bas***d though!!
The main event though is tomorrow when the exhaust arrives!!!
The main event though is tomorrow when the exhaust arrives!!!
Also chances are that the clutch may need changed and the suspension is shot, seats don't look in good condition. Adding that lot together will come in at about £3500 - £4000 to sort, all of a sudden the car is not as cheap as it seems.
The 993 market is definetly fragmenting into dogs ( cars that need money spending on them), and well looked after examples that will not cost much more than an annual service, depending on the miles you do.
The 993 market is definetly fragmenting into dogs ( cars that need money spending on them), and well looked after examples that will not cost much more than an annual service, depending on the miles you do.
Freemax, Don't get scared off it really isnt that bad to be fair all 911's have there merits and it depends largely what you want to do with it (and what your budget stretches too most expnsive is not allways best) as to which one will suit you the best.
The later G50 gearbox (my87 -90) 3.2's are great cars but you probably wouldn't want to drive one every day
964's are equally good but have a bad reputation for oil leaks etc but most will have ben sorted by now so should not be much of an issue by now (but get it checked should you buy one)
993's are great a real step forward but there are some real dogs out there and and some with very poor spec there seems to be a gap opening in the market for these as you can buy a high mile bad condition poorley speced car for 18- 20k (then probably spend another 4-5k getting it sorted) or a low mile minter for eraly 30's
Its all a bit confusing I am sure but really its not that bad so long as you stick to a few simple rules :
What ever you buy make sure you do the following before purchase :
1. Get it inspected either by and official porsche dealer or a specialist (about £150 - £300 money very well spent.
2. Check that it is what it says it is hpi check
3. Check the spec and price with the Pistonheads massive you will allways get some sort of response even if we all don't agree all the time !!!
4. Repeat step 1 !!!!!!!!!
Don't buy a water cooled one .... they are for girls ...... Joke Joke Joke
The later G50 gearbox (my87 -90) 3.2's are great cars but you probably wouldn't want to drive one every day
964's are equally good but have a bad reputation for oil leaks etc but most will have ben sorted by now so should not be much of an issue by now (but get it checked should you buy one)
993's are great a real step forward but there are some real dogs out there and and some with very poor spec there seems to be a gap opening in the market for these as you can buy a high mile bad condition poorley speced car for 18- 20k (then probably spend another 4-5k getting it sorted) or a low mile minter for eraly 30's
Its all a bit confusing I am sure but really its not that bad so long as you stick to a few simple rules :
What ever you buy make sure you do the following before purchase :
1. Get it inspected either by and official porsche dealer or a specialist (about £150 - £300 money very well spent.
2. Check that it is what it says it is hpi check
3. Check the spec and price with the Pistonheads massive you will allways get some sort of response even if we all don't agree all the time !!!
4. Repeat step 1 !!!!!!!!!
Don't buy a water cooled one .... they are for girls ...... Joke Joke Joke
What is so easy to forget is that the 993 is at best an 8 year old car, if not upto a 12 year old car. The car was also the evolution of a near-40 year old design that needed/was desperate for a major re-engineering in the form of the 996.
Fact: at this age, things start to go wrong, and the 993 benefits from a number of not insignificant and not inexpensive upgrades to keep them in tip-top condition. I think it's interesting to note that in this months EVO, it was hinted that they will be selling their Fast Fleet 993 in the very near/immediate future...
Mind you, like any classic car, look after it well (ie, spend the ££
and the car will look after you.
That's why I suggested in the other thread that if I had to do the "my first Porsche" experience all over again and it had to be a 911, I would probably save a thick wedge for M&E (maintenance and enhancements) and buy a 964 which, apart from the looks, give you at least 90% of the 993 experience in normal real world conditions. Imho, 993s are way overpriced.
Just my £0.01!!!
>> Edited by polarexpress on Monday 8th May 19:51
Fact: at this age, things start to go wrong, and the 993 benefits from a number of not insignificant and not inexpensive upgrades to keep them in tip-top condition. I think it's interesting to note that in this months EVO, it was hinted that they will be selling their Fast Fleet 993 in the very near/immediate future...
Mind you, like any classic car, look after it well (ie, spend the ££
and the car will look after you. That's why I suggested in the other thread that if I had to do the "my first Porsche" experience all over again and it had to be a 911, I would probably save a thick wedge for M&E (maintenance and enhancements) and buy a 964 which, apart from the looks, give you at least 90% of the 993 experience in normal real world conditions. Imho, 993s are way overpriced.
Just my £0.01!!!
>> Edited by polarexpress on Monday 8th May 19:51
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