993RS vs 993TT
Discussion
DeR,
I was out at Bruntingthorpe in 944/68's Turbo S (yum yum!) and another friend of mine has a 993RS as his daily driver (and a 993 GT2 as a toy!).
Now, i love the mid range grunt of the turbo, and the fact that the peak hp is produced lower down (i like short shifting and riding the torque you see), but after blasting through Wales last weekend i'm questioning the effective usability of the TT over my C4S.
Whilst i love the creature comforts of the TT/C4S i have to concede that in the real world the RS may well be more sensible because of:
1) depreciation
2) running costs (no turbos and much less power and torque going through the clutch/gearbox/diff/etc)
3) better braking (same brakes, less weight)
4) better noise.
Paul (944/68) and i were having the noise discussion you see. His Turbo S goes like stink but my motorsound airbox cover and Robin Sun exhausts are sooooo fruity...
www.911-rs.de has a lot to answer for, so does mobile.de (and Domster!).
What do other people think? I prefer the steering and pedals of LHD 993's, but for 40k do i buy a 993RS or 993TT??
VS
I was out at Bruntingthorpe in 944/68's Turbo S (yum yum!) and another friend of mine has a 993RS as his daily driver (and a 993 GT2 as a toy!).
Now, i love the mid range grunt of the turbo, and the fact that the peak hp is produced lower down (i like short shifting and riding the torque you see), but after blasting through Wales last weekend i'm questioning the effective usability of the TT over my C4S.
Whilst i love the creature comforts of the TT/C4S i have to concede that in the real world the RS may well be more sensible because of:
1) depreciation
2) running costs (no turbos and much less power and torque going through the clutch/gearbox/diff/etc)
3) better braking (same brakes, less weight)
4) better noise.
Paul (944/68) and i were having the noise discussion you see. His Turbo S goes like stink but my motorsound airbox cover and Robin Sun exhausts are sooooo fruity...
www.911-rs.de has a lot to answer for, so does mobile.de (and Domster!).
What do other people think? I prefer the steering and pedals of LHD 993's, but for 40k do i buy a 993RS or 993TT??
VS
Hi VS...i came away from that day with my enthusiasm rekindled for an RS which was the car I was looking for before my 996 came along.
I prefer the 2wd 911 for a start & the handling finesse of the RS.The lack of depreciation also helps.
having spoken to you on the day I am almost a little suprised to see you post this,,,after a run in your sublime C4 S ,I thought you were crying out for TURBO power.
Obviously finances permitting why not do both? (not at the same time)
A natural progression from here is the 993TT,you will be familiar with the 4wd base and then you can always tune it from there as DER & Paul have shown.
Once you have toyed with the by then 500+ bhp TT..will you want a 993 RS.
It is best to keep an RS more or less standard to keep value,it is not economical to tune for much more power anyhow & you have the nightmare of keeping the speedlines in good nick...
The RS is what it is,the TT gives you more scope, I think you need to get the power,so you have got it out of your system.
I prefer the 2wd 911 for a start & the handling finesse of the RS.The lack of depreciation also helps.
having spoken to you on the day I am almost a little suprised to see you post this,,,after a run in your sublime C4 S ,I thought you were crying out for TURBO power.
Obviously finances permitting why not do both? (not at the same time)
A natural progression from here is the 993TT,you will be familiar with the 4wd base and then you can always tune it from there as DER & Paul have shown.
Once you have toyed with the by then 500+ bhp TT..will you want a 993 RS.
It is best to keep an RS more or less standard to keep value,it is not economical to tune for much more power anyhow & you have the nightmare of keeping the speedlines in good nick...
The RS is what it is,the TT gives you more scope, I think you need to get the power,so you have got it out of your system.
Petronius - you really think you're going to get an impartial response from Domster or myself on the various merits involved? 
It comes down to how you like your fillets; bloody (possibly as hell) or positively pulling the arrows yourself from a recently slain bison..?
A gent of your accomplished talents in the arse engined-one should have frankly no trouble marvelling at the vast acreagess of super-bond adhesive served up by the gumballs of a standard 993tt...only when the power rises some will this chariot start reverting to type.
Sonically, you need an exhaust job on a tt without question. It will never have the mechanical, serrated wail of a Baron Rouge (RS) but I must say, my modest contribution to noise pollution is far from rampant tea pot wristic and until the slipstream scream takes effect, it's always pretty vivid.
Domster will no doubt pump you thoroughly with all the right reasons for RS selection but it is a purer track tool and that smidgeon of compliance (even on Bilstein's best) with a tt can be welcome...
Depreciation wise, the RS will always be a better bet but unless you're Bennno (hereafter known as 'Antidepreciator'), you'll get a mild raddishing if you jump ship whatever you're in. (Having said that, proper RHD jobs are only £5-8k lower than 3 years ago.)
And although a somewhat effete consideration, if you have any bones at all with Porsche drilled into 'em, the overall profile of the 993tt is for me at least, quite the zenith of the 911 form...
And now, with 492 bhp, my (sad but
) TechArt kart wheel staring back at me, the occassional lightly trafficked route repeatedly tunnels into a feverishly imagined portion of Mulsanne's most joyous Staight...
Must I quote Thomas McCruise circa 1983 in 'Risky Business?'
You know it makes sense.
VS uber alles - ACHTUNG...Schnell!!!
It comes down to how you like your fillets; bloody (possibly as hell) or positively pulling the arrows yourself from a recently slain bison..?
A gent of your accomplished talents in the arse engined-one should have frankly no trouble marvelling at the vast acreagess of super-bond adhesive served up by the gumballs of a standard 993tt...only when the power rises some will this chariot start reverting to type.
Sonically, you need an exhaust job on a tt without question. It will never have the mechanical, serrated wail of a Baron Rouge (RS) but I must say, my modest contribution to noise pollution is far from rampant tea pot wristic and until the slipstream scream takes effect, it's always pretty vivid.
Domster will no doubt pump you thoroughly with all the right reasons for RS selection but it is a purer track tool and that smidgeon of compliance (even on Bilstein's best) with a tt can be welcome...
Depreciation wise, the RS will always be a better bet but unless you're Bennno (hereafter known as 'Antidepreciator'), you'll get a mild raddishing if you jump ship whatever you're in. (Having said that, proper RHD jobs are only £5-8k lower than 3 years ago.)
And although a somewhat effete consideration, if you have any bones at all with Porsche drilled into 'em, the overall profile of the 993tt is for me at least, quite the zenith of the 911 form...
And now, with 492 bhp, my (sad but
) TechArt kart wheel staring back at me, the occassional lightly trafficked route repeatedly tunnels into a feverishly imagined portion of Mulsanne's most joyous Staight... Must I quote Thomas McCruise circa 1983 in 'Risky Business?'
You know it makes sense.
VS uber alles - ACHTUNG...Schnell!!!
Go for the Turbo.
Oooooonly joking! You've almost sold yourself on the idea of an RS anyway, without me interfering
I would say that the RS is more of a way of life than the turbo. You have to be passionate about what it stands for and represents.
If you just like quick Porsches, and want to ride the torque until your bus pass kicks in, then the Turbo makes far more sense. It is ten times more sensible and logical.
However, if you actually quite fancy changing up at 7k revs every gear shift just to hear the exhaust note, and have campaigned the DVLA for a thinner tax disc to save half an ounce of weight, then only the RS will do.
Only you know which camp you fall into. Have you driven your mate's RS? To be honest, you really need to live with one for a week or longer, as the attraction grows the more, and harder, you drive one.
As DeR says below,m it's how rare do you like your steak? One is a very useable supercar. The other is a just-about-useable trackcar.
>> Edited by domster (moderator) on Tuesday 25th February 11:18
Oooooonly joking! You've almost sold yourself on the idea of an RS anyway, without me interfering
I would say that the RS is more of a way of life than the turbo. You have to be passionate about what it stands for and represents.
If you just like quick Porsches, and want to ride the torque until your bus pass kicks in, then the Turbo makes far more sense. It is ten times more sensible and logical.
However, if you actually quite fancy changing up at 7k revs every gear shift just to hear the exhaust note, and have campaigned the DVLA for a thinner tax disc to save half an ounce of weight, then only the RS will do.
Only you know which camp you fall into. Have you driven your mate's RS? To be honest, you really need to live with one for a week or longer, as the attraction grows the more, and harder, you drive one.
As DeR says below,m it's how rare do you like your steak? One is a very useable supercar. The other is a just-about-useable trackcar.
>> Edited by domster (moderator) on Tuesday 25th February 11:18
I knew it! That pesky bleedin WWI fighter ace! 
Domster had his spine replaced at birth with a slinky, gelatimous tube that means when in transit, he requireth not any external protection from intense exogenous pummelling.
Uniquely, Herr Richtoven believes that a single seater luge down the Cresta Run is akin to ample buttocked Floridian Lexoid conveyance and as such, a 993tt is frankly only slightly more wieldy than Cunard's finest presidential suite...
In short, he's a nutter.
If, like moi, you have internal organs, his recommendations, whilst hugely compelling, should be treated with several bottles of south Germanic ale and a hazy circumspect. Alternatively, run.
Ho-ho.
Domster had his spine replaced at birth with a slinky, gelatimous tube that means when in transit, he requireth not any external protection from intense exogenous pummelling.
Uniquely, Herr Richtoven believes that a single seater luge down the Cresta Run is akin to ample buttocked Floridian Lexoid conveyance and as such, a 993tt is frankly only slightly more wieldy than Cunard's finest presidential suite...
In short, he's a nutter.
If, like moi, you have internal organs, his recommendations, whilst hugely compelling, should be treated with several bottles of south Germanic ale and a hazy circumspect. Alternatively, run.
Ho-ho.
The steak analogy seems to be a good one...
I like the thing to still be breathing when i tuck in, but i also like all the trimmings.
I'm beginning to think my ideal car is probably a 430/450bhp (factory) turbo with aircon and the 92 litre tank, no carpet or spare wheel in the front, a pair of buckets with 4 points (i hate normal seatbelts) and GT2 wheels and rear wing.
GT2 wheels cos i like them (but if they're heavier than the hollow spokes then they're out), rear wing for the airflow, 92 litre tank so i can have range if i want it, no carpet or spare wheel and bucket seats to reduce weight.
Hmmm, back to mobile.de methinks.
DeR, what do you think your car would go like if it went on a diet?
I reckon it'd be possible to lose 100kg (no rear seats, light front seats, no spare, no front carpet) without too much trouble...
VS
Edited to correct spelling and to add:
I'm not interested in top speed or 0-60, i'm strictly a 40 to 140 kind of guy. On private roads. Officer. Ahem.
>> Edited by verysideways on Tuesday 25th February 11:40
I like the thing to still be breathing when i tuck in, but i also like all the trimmings.
I'm beginning to think my ideal car is probably a 430/450bhp (factory) turbo with aircon and the 92 litre tank, no carpet or spare wheel in the front, a pair of buckets with 4 points (i hate normal seatbelts) and GT2 wheels and rear wing.
GT2 wheels cos i like them (but if they're heavier than the hollow spokes then they're out), rear wing for the airflow, 92 litre tank so i can have range if i want it, no carpet or spare wheel and bucket seats to reduce weight.
Hmmm, back to mobile.de methinks.
DeR, what do you think your car would go like if it went on a diet?
I reckon it'd be possible to lose 100kg (no rear seats, light front seats, no spare, no front carpet) without too much trouble...
VS
Edited to correct spelling and to add:
I'm not interested in top speed or 0-60, i'm strictly a 40 to 140 kind of guy. On private roads. Officer. Ahem.
>> Edited by verysideways on Tuesday 25th February 11:40
verysideways said:
what do you think your car would go like if it went on a diet?
I reckon it'd be possible to lose 100kg (no rear seats, light front seats, no spare, no front carpet) without too much trouble...
Yip loosing the front seats would be the biggest and most cost effective weightloss program. If you weigh the standard set up with runners and the pointless ectecric motors & all that you will get something like 60kg.
Bung in a nice pair of Recaros ie SPG or similar which only weigh 4.5kg each you will besaving the weight of a light passenger (thats not me then
) in one easy swoop. if you have a bigger budget get a pair of SPA's they only weigh 2.5kg each!! Getting rid of the soundproofing, rear seats will certainly get you near to the minus 100kg level. A GRP or carbon bonnet, or if you are really serious- doors too, will loose even more.
VS - ah yes, the diet plan; another Domsteric proposition which still resonates in my barren mind like an old major freewheeling around an unloved and neglected country pile...
We're talking power to weight and for sure, you can approach the magical 400 per tonne mark if you're committed enough.
From what Dom tells me (and Paul aka Roadrunner {where the hell is he these days, btw?}), buckets, carbon bonnets and doors plus a liberal amount of strippage generally can deliver substantial gains.
However, in consulatation with other learned PHers, whilst I could certainly entertain seats with a goodly amount of lateral bracing - purely to further focus the pure driving buzz - I think you could compromise certain essential qualities of the car too much...for example, the soldity of certain panels for some carbon weave? IMHO, I think probably not, after some consideration.
But raw paper data is but one part of the equation; the sheer traction of the bugger means higher and higher levels of exploitability and frankly, as has been said 'n' times before, I'm convinced the wine tasting gets better and better with prolonged exposure.
You say you're a 40-140 man - hardly hanging around by any standards - but the calling of the Ruf zone is not to be ignored...why do the Ultimae seek it's twin centuried glory so often?
But you can have it all with the tt; poise, explosive pelvicism & adrenalised, multi-sense stimulation.
Some say Pork is boring. Well last Sunday I went on a low flying bombing run and half way down a road, having just gasped a couple of expletives, my heart was literally pounding like a ferret facing Farmer Palmer's twin barrel...I don't know how much excitement you're supposed to take when thrashing a car but in my limited hands, this was close to the mark!
Beware the lure of unattainable trackmeistery - put your money into something that will always deliver the goods. And then some.
We're talking power to weight and for sure, you can approach the magical 400 per tonne mark if you're committed enough.
From what Dom tells me (and Paul aka Roadrunner {where the hell is he these days, btw?}), buckets, carbon bonnets and doors plus a liberal amount of strippage generally can deliver substantial gains.
However, in consulatation with other learned PHers, whilst I could certainly entertain seats with a goodly amount of lateral bracing - purely to further focus the pure driving buzz - I think you could compromise certain essential qualities of the car too much...for example, the soldity of certain panels for some carbon weave? IMHO, I think probably not, after some consideration.
But raw paper data is but one part of the equation; the sheer traction of the bugger means higher and higher levels of exploitability and frankly, as has been said 'n' times before, I'm convinced the wine tasting gets better and better with prolonged exposure.
You say you're a 40-140 man - hardly hanging around by any standards - but the calling of the Ruf zone is not to be ignored...why do the Ultimae seek it's twin centuried glory so often?
But you can have it all with the tt; poise, explosive pelvicism & adrenalised, multi-sense stimulation.
Some say Pork is boring. Well last Sunday I went on a low flying bombing run and half way down a road, having just gasped a couple of expletives, my heart was literally pounding like a ferret facing Farmer Palmer's twin barrel...I don't know how much excitement you're supposed to take when thrashing a car but in my limited hands, this was close to the mark!
Beware the lure of unattainable trackmeistery - put your money into something that will always deliver the goods. And then some.
derestrictor said: I knew it! That pesky bleedin WWI fighter ace!
Domster had his spine replaced at birth with a slinky, gelatimous tube that means when in transit, he requireth not any external protection from intense exogenous pummelling.
Uniquely, Herr Richtoven believes that a single seater luge down the Cresta Run is akin to ample buttocked Floridian Lexoid conveyance and as such, a 993tt is frankly only slightly more wieldy than Cunard's finest presidential suite...
In short, he's a nutter.
If, like moi, you have internal organs, his recommendations, whilst hugely compelling, should be treated with several bottles of south Germanic ale and a hazy circumspect. Alternatively, run.
Ho-ho.
LOL. Yeah, I can't be trusted. My half-Schnitzered BMW everydaymobile is soft as pants and needs a dose of race tuning. Plus I'm ordering my Ultima with rose joints everywhere and adjustable dampers from a GT racing car. (Must find out what bound and rebound do and whether I can twiddle with them en route to the badger sett.)
Interesting discussion that proves once again no one car can satisfy every need in a horseless carriage. So the only answer is to have a diverse fleet that caters for every occasion.
Oh, and that includes 400bhp/tonne of SLR DeR: you are cordially invited to a test ride that'll redefine your impressions of 'raw'.
None of this namby-pamby RS-ness.
Oh, and that includes 400bhp/tonne of SLR DeR: you are cordially invited to a test ride that'll redefine your impressions of 'raw'.
None of this namby-pamby RS-ness. VS, as Clubsport says the TT is the logical step for a C4S owner. Similar feel but much more grunt.
The RS is only marginally quicker in a straight line than any C2/4/S and you won't notice the better braking on the public road. IMO the suspension isn't too hard (it's perfect) but some of the "comfort" omissions would p!ss you off if you had to use it everyday (surely you wouldn't use it everyday), like no central locking, no door bins, poor access to the rear "ledge", no boot carpet or the bonnet stay in place of gas struts etc.
HOWEVER, I'd go with the RS in a heartbeat! It's pure Porsche and I love the narrow body look which is only enhanced by the RS (not the RSR) aero kit. The widebody cars lose the "wasted" sills of the narrow cars, the big skirts look so clumsy in comparison... all IMHO of course.
The TT is, to a degree, the Porsche that non-Porsche people buy 'cos they're buying the badge and it's top of the price list so it must be best, I'm sure you know the sort!
So my £40K would go on a near perfect un-abused LHD RS in Red, White or Midnight Blue, with A/C (for those trips abroad in summer).
Mark
The RS is only marginally quicker in a straight line than any C2/4/S and you won't notice the better braking on the public road. IMO the suspension isn't too hard (it's perfect) but some of the "comfort" omissions would p!ss you off if you had to use it everyday (surely you wouldn't use it everyday), like no central locking, no door bins, poor access to the rear "ledge", no boot carpet or the bonnet stay in place of gas struts etc.
HOWEVER, I'd go with the RS in a heartbeat! It's pure Porsche and I love the narrow body look which is only enhanced by the RS (not the RSR) aero kit. The widebody cars lose the "wasted" sills of the narrow cars, the big skirts look so clumsy in comparison... all IMHO of course.
The TT is, to a degree, the Porsche that non-Porsche people buy 'cos they're buying the badge and it's top of the price list so it must be best, I'm sure you know the sort!
So my £40K would go on a near perfect un-abused LHD RS in Red, White or Midnight Blue, with A/C (for those trips abroad in summer).
Mark
Jez is right about his SLR. Caterhams are the only car, bar the Ultima, that I have been in that make the RS seem like a shandy drinking lard arse.
That is why I couldn't understand people saying RSs are unuseable day to day. I commuted for 2.5 years in rain, snow and shine in a Caterham
That is why I couldn't understand people saying RSs are unuseable day to day. I commuted for 2.5 years in rain, snow and shine in a Caterham
p-car said:
The TT is, to a degree, the Porsche that non-Porsche people buy 'cos they're buying the badge and it's top of the price list so it must be best, I'm sure you know the sort!
Mark
Have to take issue with this comment, Mark!
I bought mine because it was quite simply the only affordable alternative to a 4.5 litre Cerbera.
The GT3 was too slow, more so the F355 whilst a Diablo appeared to be unserviceable.
I was actually loathe to buy a 911 because of the bullsh1t associations one often comes across. Fact is, it blows everything bar the 996tt into the weeds.
Really, if one is so minimalist of mind, why not a Caterham or some such?
I had a 3 series daily and a bike-engined toy, so i've done the 8 second 0-100mph with no roof and no windscreen.
The problem i found was that the two car solution was too much of a compromise. I often found myself in the Fury wishing i had a longer top gear or comfy seats and a stereo.
On the other hand i also found myself on numerous occasions thinking what a lardy arse my six-cylinder coupe was, and how desperately i wanted more neck snappage.
The 993 C4S was my compromise. It's sooo comfy for my commute and for long motorway trips, i get to choose between thumping stereo or sonorous flat six for aural accomplishment, it's plenty quick enough for most situations and it's communicative and sharp enough to have fun cresting mountains and scything through valleys.
Quite a few of my friends commented to me that having reached this stage at the ripe old age of 26 i was on to a loser. After all, what on earth could i replace this motoring marvel with?
If i was to examine the RS more closely, the Noble M12 also becomes a part of the equation. Raw and riotous with good thrust and "interesting" comfort.
My car has no competition in my eyes, it is the epitome of what i desire in an everyday supercar. The only way i could think of to improve it significantly is more torque and less weight... which leads me on to a lightened 993TT.
The worst part is the insurance. A 993TT would increase my annual premium by 33 of your earth pounds.
VS
>> Edited by verysideways on Tuesday 25th February 12:54
The problem i found was that the two car solution was too much of a compromise. I often found myself in the Fury wishing i had a longer top gear or comfy seats and a stereo.
On the other hand i also found myself on numerous occasions thinking what a lardy arse my six-cylinder coupe was, and how desperately i wanted more neck snappage.
The 993 C4S was my compromise. It's sooo comfy for my commute and for long motorway trips, i get to choose between thumping stereo or sonorous flat six for aural accomplishment, it's plenty quick enough for most situations and it's communicative and sharp enough to have fun cresting mountains and scything through valleys.
Quite a few of my friends commented to me that having reached this stage at the ripe old age of 26 i was on to a loser. After all, what on earth could i replace this motoring marvel with?
If i was to examine the RS more closely, the Noble M12 also becomes a part of the equation. Raw and riotous with good thrust and "interesting" comfort.
My car has no competition in my eyes, it is the epitome of what i desire in an everyday supercar. The only way i could think of to improve it significantly is more torque and less weight... which leads me on to a lightened 993TT.
The worst part is the insurance. A 993TT would increase my annual premium by 33 of your earth pounds.
VS
>> Edited by verysideways on Tuesday 25th February 12:54
Derestrictor,
Not questioning every TT buyer's motives, just some of them.
I have absolutely no argument about the sheer stomp offered by going the TT route, just that some frankly undeserving plonkers buy them and give the rest of you a bad rep.
For example there was a guy at an EasyTrack day at Snetterton last year (Sept) who was a menace on circuit. Braking far too early, slow through every corner and holding everyone up before mashing the loud pedal down the straight. Back in the pits he was eulogising how quick "she" was and that no-one could get past.
I'm coming from a '95 C2 perspective so have no experience of significanlty more performance except for a passenger rides in the like of a T2 3.6, Turbo4, Tuscan and Griff 500. So for me a 993RS my dream machine.
Mark
Not questioning every TT buyer's motives, just some of them.
I have absolutely no argument about the sheer stomp offered by going the TT route, just that some frankly undeserving plonkers buy them and give the rest of you a bad rep.
For example there was a guy at an EasyTrack day at Snetterton last year (Sept) who was a menace on circuit. Braking far too early, slow through every corner and holding everyone up before mashing the loud pedal down the straight. Back in the pits he was eulogising how quick "she" was and that no-one could get past.
I'm coming from a '95 C2 perspective so have no experience of significanlty more performance except for a passenger rides in the like of a T2 3.6, Turbo4, Tuscan and Griff 500. So for me a 993RS my dream machine.
Mark
Fair dinkum, Markus Aurelius Crassus;
However, I would have to say that discussions which seek to ascribe tossological demerit based on car model selection are fraught with problems.
For instance, most PHers would, I'm sure, agree that an F355 Spider, at full pelt, is an agreeable concept. However, said vehicle has an unfortunate resonance somewhere in the psyche because of an association with hirsute folicle technicians; why? I really don't know but it just does.
Does this make it any less desirable or not as intoxicating a drivers' weapon? I suggest emphatically not.
The argument about people buying the most expensive model for social status must, I acknowledge, have some credance in the sphere of marketing myopism but this is genuinely the first time I have heard it said of the 911 Turbo.
I would have thought such purchasing proclivity directed more towards the normally aspirated Carrera series against which the associated body kits 'sans performance' could be pinned on...
After all, how many 996C2s and 4s does one see in the ads, replete with GT3-aping paraphenalia?
Sorry but I do get a little tetchy at all this 'real drivers' car' versus 'it's all done for you' business. After all, a monkey's worth of retardant gee-gee gruntfest through a fairly basic, mechanical 4wd system might be similarly frisky to a 300 or so via strictly 2wd!
Easy now...
However, I would have to say that discussions which seek to ascribe tossological demerit based on car model selection are fraught with problems.
For instance, most PHers would, I'm sure, agree that an F355 Spider, at full pelt, is an agreeable concept. However, said vehicle has an unfortunate resonance somewhere in the psyche because of an association with hirsute folicle technicians; why? I really don't know but it just does.
Does this make it any less desirable or not as intoxicating a drivers' weapon? I suggest emphatically not.
The argument about people buying the most expensive model for social status must, I acknowledge, have some credance in the sphere of marketing myopism but this is genuinely the first time I have heard it said of the 911 Turbo.
I would have thought such purchasing proclivity directed more towards the normally aspirated Carrera series against which the associated body kits 'sans performance' could be pinned on...
After all, how many 996C2s and 4s does one see in the ads, replete with GT3-aping paraphenalia?
Sorry but I do get a little tetchy at all this 'real drivers' car' versus 'it's all done for you' business. After all, a monkey's worth of retardant gee-gee gruntfest through a fairly basic, mechanical 4wd system might be similarly frisky to a 300 or so via strictly 2wd!
Easy now...
I have absolutely no idea what that last response said!
DER in terms of aspiration,,customers are not alone..while developing the 996TT the internal development code name for the car was "TOP" to make it the most accomplished car they have ever produced.
This shoes that Porsche beleive the TT to be "TOP" banana also.....
DER in terms of aspiration,,customers are not alone..while developing the 996TT the internal development code name for the car was "TOP" to make it the most accomplished car they have ever produced.
This shoes that Porsche beleive the TT to be "TOP" banana also.....
domster said: Jez is right about his SLR. Caterhams are the only car, bar the Ultima, that I have been in that make the RS seem like a shandy drinking lard arse.
That is why I couldn't understand people saying RSs are unuseable day to day. I commuted for 2.5 years in rain, snow and shine in a Caterham
Er, I refer the right honourable gentleman to his final smiley!
And btw, Domst & Jezza; allow me to surrender.
When you're talking SLR, I agree, it's a different planet. Jezmondo - I'd simply pull over & wave you by, mate!
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