So this oversteer thing, then...
Discussion
mikeg996 said:
How do I get into a bit of oversteer relatively safely? The only time I've tried and succeeded the car tried to kill me. Or so it felt.
Ditto. up in the alps last month, when i had been hooked up for a couple of hours I thought I had taken up god like driving abilities and when approaching a complex of 180 degree hair pins i thought it would be a good idea to turn off the PSM.
big mistake within about 30 seconds i had one of those huge tank slapper moments which instantly cured any problems i have ever had with piles........
simply over cooked it for being too cocky.
Best advice is to have some proper tuition - thats what i intend to do before I put the car into a hedge backwards......
It sounds like you lifted as soon as you felt the rear slide - that would cause it to swing the other way even quicker. The 'trick' is to control the grip (and thereby the slide) by reducing or increasing the amount of throttle used. Of course, this is easier if you've got a lot of space and no cars coming the other way! I 'learnt' how to do this in TVRs but the first few times it is hard not to panic - choose a suitable corner and start small. I'm by no means a 'drift master' as I would hate to loose it completely but do enjoy a little slide now and then.
This whole business of fly by wire would scare the pants off me.
I'm thinking that it couldn't possibly get any worse than what you did, but I'm sure I'd do the same.
The thing is that if you don't have "fly by wire" you build up to the edge gently. Find it in a progressive manner. Switching the thing off in the worst circumstances, and hoping is just a nightmare.
I'm thinking that it couldn't possibly get any worse than what you did, but I'm sure I'd do the same.
The thing is that if you don't have "fly by wire" you build up to the edge gently. Find it in a progressive manner. Switching the thing off in the worst circumstances, and hoping is just a nightmare.
You need lots of space and wet tarmac. In the wet, everything happens earlier / slower. You'll find that counter steering is natural since the car does it almost by itself if you let it.
Winding off the lock is much trickier, and often has to be lighting fast to prevent a big swing in the opposite direction. Also, never snap the throttle shut, since this will usually exaggerate the slide. Oh, and if you think you can't catch it, slam on the brakes - this will send you on is a straight line instead of at an angle...
Winding off the lock is much trickier, and often has to be lighting fast to prevent a big swing in the opposite direction. Also, never snap the throttle shut, since this will usually exaggerate the slide. Oh, and if you think you can't catch it, slam on the brakes - this will send you on is a straight line instead of at an angle...
935 said:
Don't try to teach yourself on the road. You will kill yourself or worse still other people. Get some instruction on an airfield. Choose your instructor depending on what you want, ie road craft or track driving and dont try to go too fast too soon.
Enjoy,
Richard.
Enjoy,
Richard.
Ditto his comments plus
If the back end does step out for christ`s sake don`t do what everyone says on internet forums and "step on the gas" to "load up" the back end. Lift off the throttle to a balanced position to allow the rear tyres to re-gain grip (assuming rear wheel drive) and then briefly steer into the slide. As has been mentioned it isn`t easy and a wide open space such as an airfield is needed to perfect your skills.
Henry
henry-f said:
Ditto his comments plus
If the back end does step out for christ`s sake don`t do what everyone says on internet forums and "step on the gas" to "load up" the back end. Lift off the throttle to a balanced position to allow the rear tyres to re-gain grip (assuming rear wheel drive) and then briefly steer into the slide. As has been mentioned it isn`t easy and a wide open space such as an airfield is needed to perfect your skills.
Henry
I knew you'd find this thread
I was searching old posts for something else and came across your 2005 post on the same subject.My two most scary '911 moments' have both happened when i've been coasting around a corner, on a wet road 'off throttle', and at quite moderate speeds.
If you're caught off guard as I was, then It's very hard to get the damn thing back inline once that big pendulum starts swinging about
If you're caught off guard as I was, then It's very hard to get the damn thing back inline once that big pendulum starts swinging about
Edited by evil jack on Monday 20th November 11:50
aceparts_com said:
Do a day with Don Palmer
Don had me and my '64RS sliding around within half a day. It's also amazing to see how the caster on the suspension (i.e. kingpin inclination) means the car almost steers into the slide of its own accord far quicker than you can apply what you deem to be the correct amount of lock. I think the key is that you need to 'feel' what the car is doing rather than try and muscle it around.davyboy said:
Fantastic - thanks very much!
As said above. Another way is to go karting on a wet day and just scale things up 
Best option is to spend a few £’s and get on a proper day with an instructor who has access to wide open areas to play on.
I’m not really a stranger to oversteer thanks for having had a kart age 10 and having driven plenty to reasonably potent RWD cars but every car, let alone different makes and models, is slightly different. With the Boxster I started off with roundabouts and worked my way up from there. Nothing quite like the feeling of having the backend start to drift at serious speed to focus the mind on how those four little rubber strips are all that’s between you and greenery…
Best option is to spend a few £’s and get on a proper day with an instructor who has access to wide open areas to play on.
I’m not really a stranger to oversteer thanks for having had a kart age 10 and having driven plenty to reasonably potent RWD cars but every car, let alone different makes and models, is slightly different. With the Boxster I started off with roundabouts and worked my way up from there. Nothing quite like the feeling of having the backend start to drift at serious speed to focus the mind on how those four little rubber strips are all that’s between you and greenery…
Easiest way is to take a days rally driving course on gravel.
Get used to the notion the car is not always pointing forward and then press on to develop other skills like using the power to control the snap back, exactly how much opposite lock to apply and when, and of course braking which can be used to induce the slide in the first place.
For gods sake, not on the road wet or dry in a 911, you will be going too fast and the 911 seams to use an awful lot of road just to straighten itself out.
As for KPI... well i have seen the Arab drifts and they are accurate to about 60 car widths..... looks cool but stupid and dangerous. Keep your hands fully on the wheel at all times !!
You don't see Sebastian Loeb letting go of the wheel cos he cannot catch a slide...mind you he does have a rack which is less than 2 turns lock to lock.
Get used to the notion the car is not always pointing forward and then press on to develop other skills like using the power to control the snap back, exactly how much opposite lock to apply and when, and of course braking which can be used to induce the slide in the first place.
For gods sake, not on the road wet or dry in a 911, you will be going too fast and the 911 seams to use an awful lot of road just to straighten itself out.
As for KPI... well i have seen the Arab drifts and they are accurate to about 60 car widths..... looks cool but stupid and dangerous. Keep your hands fully on the wheel at all times !!
You don't see Sebastian Loeb letting go of the wheel cos he cannot catch a slide...mind you he does have a rack which is less than 2 turns lock to lock.
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