C4S / TuscanS / M3
Discussion
Okay people. Convince me that the 996 C4S is what I want over a) a new Tuscan S at some £15-20k less, and b) an M3 at more than 20k less.
If it's the 911 or Tuscan then it will sit alongside an Exige, an Impreza WRX '01 and a Smart.
If it's the M3 then I guess the Scoob could go.
So far I haven't seen any 2nd hand C4S for less than list price, so I'm guessing it would have to be new (must be black with Boxster red interior).
Refinement is an issue, if I want raw thrills I'd take the Exige.
I'm guessing some people here have experience of all 3 and I'm wondering how they compared.
Cheers
Mark
If it's the 911 or Tuscan then it will sit alongside an Exige, an Impreza WRX '01 and a Smart.
If it's the M3 then I guess the Scoob could go.
So far I haven't seen any 2nd hand C4S for less than list price, so I'm guessing it would have to be new (must be black with Boxster red interior).
Refinement is an issue, if I want raw thrills I'd take the Exige.
I'm guessing some people here have experience of all 3 and I'm wondering how they compared.
Cheers
Mark
Well the tvr will cost the same in the end. Add in tvr's service costs, repair work, hire cars, petrol and general hassles to round things off nicely.
The M3 is a fine car, although a touch common and a little 'coffee bean shaker' in image.
Save some weight and cash and go for the all time classic and legendary 911 carrera 2.
The M3 is a fine car, although a touch common and a little 'coffee bean shaker' in image.
Save some weight and cash and go for the all time classic and legendary 911 carrera 2.
You know what Mark, although I'm partial to le pork, I think in your case, since you already have a sort of semi-practical mega ground coverer in the Scoob, I tend to think the C4S would give you a bit of overkill in that department.
The Tuscan is simply an event, which nobody can really deny; even out trumping a Diablo, as EVO mag suggested.
Your Lotus could be looked at as the track day/ultimate B-road special for motorsport type thrills but the Tuscan will get you up on a Sunday morning like little else.
Even if it is just to lick. Ooh, yum.
I think a new GT3 might be a different box of strawberries, however and they're not 'that' much more! (He says!)
What a lovely quandry, btw.
The Tuscan is simply an event, which nobody can really deny; even out trumping a Diablo, as EVO mag suggested.
Your Lotus could be looked at as the track day/ultimate B-road special for motorsport type thrills but the Tuscan will get you up on a Sunday morning like little else.
Even if it is just to lick. Ooh, yum.
I think a new GT3 might be a different box of strawberries, however and they're not 'that' much more! (He says!)
What a lovely quandry, btw.
Pff, whatever I get won't match the Exige for fun. I know that much. 
I also know that the 911 won't carry as much as the Scoob, and I also know I'd rather do short shopping trips and long term parking in the Smart...
I also know that after my wife saw the wide-bodied C4S parked next to a normal Carrera that it's the C4S or not a 911 at all....
I also know that the 911 won't carry as much as the Scoob, and I also know I'd rather do short shopping trips and long term parking in the Smart...
I also know that after my wife saw the wide-bodied C4S parked next to a normal Carrera that it's the C4S or not a 911 at all....
Why have the Tuscan? You have the raw thrills and the exploding car already in the Exige.
It's a choice between BMW and Pork IMHO. BMW has poorer steering and is less polished overall (as I understand never having driven either) but both will hold their value.
And, why keep the Scooby? Unless it has a towbar and you use it to retrieve the Exige when it's popped its clogs on track
Suggestion: sell the Scooby and the Exige and buy a new GT3.
It's a choice between BMW and Pork IMHO. BMW has poorer steering and is less polished overall (as I understand never having driven either) but both will hold their value.
And, why keep the Scooby? Unless it has a towbar and you use it to retrieve the Exige when it's popped its clogs on track
Suggestion: sell the Scooby and the Exige and buy a new GT3.
Tuscan will give you wind in the hair motoring (something your existing fleet doesn't do): none of the others will.
Tuscan will get you noticed: drop dead gorgeous looks, fantasic noise - the others are somewhat anonymous.
Tuscan is also probably the greatest risk in terms of maintenance costs, reliability and depreciation.
As has been said many times: depends what floats your boat - they are actually all very different cars.
Tuscan will get you noticed: drop dead gorgeous looks, fantasic noise - the others are somewhat anonymous.
Tuscan is also probably the greatest risk in terms of maintenance costs, reliability and depreciation.
As has been said many times: depends what floats your boat - they are actually all very different cars.
Exploding Exige? Pah, only problem it has given me is when the pads I fitted got too hot for the disks. My fault. If it wasn't for that I'm sure it would have been faster than that pesky yellow thing at Donington
The Tuscan I have been in was way more refined than the Exige. Quite soft really.
Need the Scoob for carrying stuff around.
GT3? Nope, they're all yellow aren't they? And it treads on the Exige's toes too much. We're after a cross-Europe tourer type thing really.
Thing is would I be taking a massive depreciation hit if I got a new C4S?
Ruby, we wouldn't need to sell the Scoob. And NO we are NOT selling the Exige whatever happens
>> Edited by BT52 on Tuesday 1st April 16:41
The Tuscan I have been in was way more refined than the Exige. Quite soft really.
Need the Scoob for carrying stuff around.
GT3? Nope, they're all yellow aren't they?
And it treads on the Exige's toes too much. We're after a cross-Europe tourer type thing really. Thing is would I be taking a massive depreciation hit if I got a new C4S?
Ruby, we wouldn't need to sell the Scoob. And NO we are NOT selling the Exige whatever happens
>> Edited by BT52 on Tuesday 1st April 16:41
Sounds like you have already answered your own questions with respect to the C4S....a done deal.
I like your analogy of parking next to a regulat 996 in the C4S.
when I park next to a C4S I think what a bloater,big body inert 4wd heavy steering feel and why didn't the owner spend a few more quid in a turbo ?
Horses for courses.
I think you will have much more fun with a C2 in a light weight spec,as the rest of your collection indicate you have good experience of rear wheel drive cars.You always have the Scooby for snow,towing or ram-raids.
I like your analogy of parking next to a regulat 996 in the C4S.
when I park next to a C4S I think what a bloater,big body inert 4wd heavy steering feel and why didn't the owner spend a few more quid in a turbo ?
Horses for courses.
I think you will have much more fun with a C2 in a light weight spec,as the rest of your collection indicate you have good experience of rear wheel drive cars.You always have the Scooby for snow,towing or ram-raids.
ClubsportI've got a thing against turbos. Largely thanks to the Scoob and the smart.
They're a fine way to get decent power on a sub £20k car, but to spend over 30k I'd insist on it being normally aspirated.
Dislike lag of any descrption. Instant throttle response is my thing.
C4S has had such good reviews compared to the current (new-lights) Carrera, that's mainly why I focused on it. Don't really want 4WD particularly.
They're a fine way to get decent power on a sub £20k car, but to spend over 30k I'd insist on it being normally aspirated.
Dislike lag of any descrption. Instant throttle response is my thing.
C4S has had such good reviews compared to the current (new-lights) Carrera, that's mainly why I focused on it. Don't really want 4WD particularly.
NEXT! If you are not aching to buy one of these cars on your list ...then go drive them....it's a waste of time giving it the big I don't know,but the reviews are good.
If you are looking at reviews then forget these, get a new Mini Cooper S....it would appear to be the best car in the world ever,,,apparently.
If you are looking at reviews then forget these, get a new Mini Cooper S....it would appear to be the best car in the world ever,,,apparently.
Oh, we'll drive them all right!
I just wondered if people had any more long term comparisons that I won't notice on a test drive.
If I just went by reviews we would have an Elise 190 rather than an Exige, an EvoVI rather than a bugeye Scoob and a Mini instead of a Smart...
So do people think the C4S's alledged superiority is less than justified?
I just wondered if people had any more long term comparisons that I won't notice on a test drive.
If I just went by reviews we would have an Elise 190 rather than an Exige, an EvoVI rather than a bugeye Scoob and a Mini instead of a Smart...
So do people think the C4S's alledged superiority is less than justified?
Instant throttle response and a reticence for pricey turbo cars?
Forgive me but you can't compare the aeons it takes for a typical Japanese turbo car (Scoob/EVO) to spool and shoot with a latter day Porker T & The MGs.
Frankly, it's instantino slingshotitus.
Not to mention green onions. Ho-ho.
Forgive me but you can't compare the aeons it takes for a typical Japanese turbo car (Scoob/EVO) to spool and shoot with a latter day Porker T & The MGs.
Frankly, it's instantino slingshotitus.
Not to mention green onions. Ho-ho.
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