997 GT3 Shift...
Discussion
Was fortunate enough to take delivery of a 997GT3 Clubsport on Friday which replaced a comfort spec car I had owned for a couple of months previously.Firstly I'd absolutely recommend the clubsport spec,if only because of how much more special it makes the GT3 experience feel,firmly separating the cabin's ambience away form any 'regular' 997.For me that was important,and I don't believe that usability has been compromised,but I also understand why others will prefer a comfort spec.
More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
gunner said:
Was fortunate enough to take delivery of a 997GT3 Clubsport on Friday which replaced a comfort spec car I had owned for a couple of months previously.Firstly I'd absolutely recommend the clubsport spec,if only because of how much more special it makes the GT3 experience feel,firmly separating the cabin's ambience away form any 'regular' 997.For me that was important,and I don't believe that usability has been compromised,but I also understand why others will prefer a comfort spec.
More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
That's interesting - mine, a Nov.'06 Clubsport spec. car has quite a notchy box. Might speak to my OPC in light of your comments as I've only driven one other car - which was also notchy. More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
gunner said:
yeah,you should,it's a pretty big distinction.The stick slots perfectly in the new one whereas in the other one I would struggle to click it into the gate at times,especially at slow speeds.
Glen,no idea how to post pics.If I email some to you do you want to do the honours?
Glen,no idea how to post pics.If I email some to you do you want to do the honours?
they need to be hosted somewhere, are there any on any other forum ??
if not, mail them to me, and i'll try and sort it for you...
G.
gunner said:
actually Glen save us both some time I know Blowdog posted pics of his car recently,mine is absolutely identical.How you enjoying the RS?
yep, loving it thanks...
just had some camber put on last week, so looking forward to trying her out at
Silverstone this sat...
The 'only' pisser on the car for me, is the seat belt clasp being on the inside
of the seat, as every time i get in the car, i sit on it, it does my bloody head in !!!!
G.
brady said:
glenn, youre not exactly stocky, how do those with larger frames manage the seat belt issue??
i'm still 6ft 2" so have a reletive sized ass
the seats are deeper than the last type, i just find i impossible to get in the car
without doing it...
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
the clasp was on the outside of the last seats, so wasn't an issue...just one of
the little niggles i will have to live with i suppose...
G.
Glenn McMenamin said:
brady said:
glenn, youre not exactly stocky, how do those with larger frames manage the seat belt issue??
i'm still 6ft 2" so have a reletive sized ass
the seats are deeper than the last type, i just find i impossible to get in the car
without doing it...
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
the clasp was on the outside of the last seats, so wasn't an issue...just one of
the little niggles i will have to live with i suppose...
G.
When I collected my car from the factory they said that the seatbelt buckle was inside the seat because of TUV and that it can be moved to outside of the seat which I did quite easily. I also put some self adhesive felt round the black plastic of tyhe buckle to stop it scratching the centre armrest area.
Pugsey said:
gunner said:
Was fortunate enough to take delivery of a 997GT3 Clubsport on Friday which replaced a comfort spec car I had owned for a couple of months previously.Firstly I'd absolutely recommend the clubsport spec,if only because of how much more special it makes the GT3 experience feel,firmly separating the cabin's ambience away form any 'regular' 997.For me that was important,and I don't believe that usability has been compromised,but I also understand why others will prefer a comfort spec.
More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
That's interesting - mine, a Nov.'06 Clubsport spec. car has quite a notchy box. Might speak to my OPC in light of your comments as I've only driven one other car - which was also notchy. More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
So do we think it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a notchy gearbox, or an issue only on earlier cars ??
Would be interested in the OPC comment, not that I'd place much value on it TBH !
atomic said:
Glenn McMenamin said:
brady said:
glenn, youre not exactly stocky, how do those with larger frames manage the seat belt issue??
i'm still 6ft 2" so have a reletive sized ass
the seats are deeper than the last type, i just find i impossible to get in the car
without doing it...
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
the clasp was on the outside of the last seats, so wasn't an issue...just one of
the little niggles i will have to live with i suppose...
G.
When I collected my car from the factory they said that the seatbelt buckle was inside the seat because of TUV and that it can be moved to outside of the seat which I did quite easily. I also put some self adhesive felt round the black plastic of tyhe buckle to stop it scratching the centre armrest area.
Steve at JZ said it looked like it could not be moved
thanks for the tip, i will investigate further
G.
Glenn McMenamin said:
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
Glenn
Do you think I could fit in the seat?!
I'll swap you a lap for a few in the Caterham when you're next over at the 'Ring. PS I'm not intending to do any UK bank holiday trips this year, as the place is so f'ing busy these days!!
anglebox10 said:
Pugsey said:
gunner said:
Was fortunate enough to take delivery of a 997GT3 Clubsport on Friday which replaced a comfort spec car I had owned for a couple of months previously.Firstly I'd absolutely recommend the clubsport spec,if only because of how much more special it makes the GT3 experience feel,firmly separating the cabin's ambience away form any 'regular' 997.For me that was important,and I don't believe that usability has been compromised,but I also understand why others will prefer a comfort spec.
More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
That's interesting - mine, a Nov.'06 Clubsport spec. car has quite a notchy box. Might speak to my OPC in light of your comments as I've only driven one other car - which was also notchy. More interestingly though,I had always maintained that in my original 997GT3 the gearshift had felt very stiff and notchy and had been my only real complaint about the car,although I had always hoped that it would loosen up in time.No such issues on the newer car though.Oddly enough changing gear,even with just 16 miles on the clock,was an altogether smoother,more pleasant experience.Strange that the two cars should have such a glaring inconsistency I thought.
Early days of course but the ceramics feel spot on,they really do.
Cheers.
So do we think it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a notchy gearbox, or an issue only on earlier cars ??
Would be interested in the OPC comment, not that I'd place much value on it TBH !
Another punter here with a 'notchy gearshift' - I must say it is the notchiest gearchange I have personally experienced on any modern 911 I have ever owned... 996 C2, 996 tt, 997 C2S. The 997 GT3 (my one anyway) feels very like a 997/996 gerabox with a short shift kit fitted, such is the stiffness of movement.
I know the GT3 has a different gearbox to current 997 cars but I would like to try another 997 GT3 to see if it is just my car - or whether it is a question of 'they all do that sir'
Interesting...
fergus said:
Glenn McMenamin said:
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
Glenn
Do you think I could fit in the seat?!
I'll swap you a lap for a few in the Caterham when you're next over at the 'Ring. PS I'm not intending to do any UK bank holiday trips this year, as the place is so f'ing busy these days!!
you'd fit no worries mate, i'll have another harness in there soon anyway
Glenn McMenamin said:
atomic said:
Glenn McMenamin said:
brady said:
glenn, youre not exactly stocky, how do those with larger frames manage the seat belt issue??
i'm still 6ft 2" so have a reletive sized ass
the seats are deeper than the last type, i just find i impossible to get in the car
without doing it...
the 'larger' passengers i have taken out, spend ages trying to dig the thing out for
underneath them to get the belt buckle in...
the clasp was on the outside of the last seats, so wasn't an issue...just one of
the little niggles i will have to live with i suppose...
G.
When I collected my car from the factory they said that the seatbelt buckle was inside the seat because of TUV and that it can be moved to outside of the seat which I did quite easily. I also put some self adhesive felt round the black plastic of tyhe buckle to stop it scratching the centre armrest area.
Steve at JZ said it looked like it could not be moved
On my CGT the seatbelt buckle is on the outside of the seat, and has a bit of felt on the back to stop it scratching the trim. I see no reason why you can't do the same on your GT3 as the seat is the same apart from the covering. thanks for the tip, i will investigate further
G.
nbetts,I totally agree that the first 997GT3 I owned had a notchier shift than any other 'new' 911 I'd owned previously including my old 996GT2 which could be pretty obstinate at times.I can't believe that in 2 months or whatever the model has evolved sufficiently that it's a problem which only afflicts early cars but I guess it's possible.Not that they will be any help but I'd absolutely give your OPC a hard time over it.These cars are bloody expensive so one can at least expect a more than satisfactory gearchange.I'd experienced cleaner shifts in cars a quarter of the money and the only things that prevented me complaining were a)my hope/expectation that it would loosen up in time and b)that I'd get told they're all like that!!
btw I don't want to detract from the car generally.It simply is a stunning thing.Just a wonderful driving experience.
btw I don't want to detract from the car generally.It simply is a stunning thing.Just a wonderful driving experience.
The 997GT3 has the 997 'short shift'.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
It is unlikely to become easier with use, but you can ask your OPC to change it for a 'standard' 997 shift.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
It is unlikely to become easier with use, but you can ask your OPC to change it for a 'standard' 997 shift.
Geneve said:
The 997GT3 has the 997 'short shift'.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
Agreed, but gunner who is on his 2nd 997 GT3 is experiencing a much 'slicker' change now then what was present in his first 997 GT3.
It would appear there are degrees of 'Stiffness' (oooeeeerrr missus) of gear-change we are on about here and not just a drivers perception.
Edited by nbetts on Monday 12th February 14:43
nbetts said:
Geneve said:
The 997GT3 has the 997 'short shift'.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
It is quite tight and notchy, particularly when cold, but once warm, and with familiarity, it is very precise and 'in character' with the car.
Agreed, but gunner who is on his 2nd 997 GT3 is experiencing a much 'slicker' change now then what was present in his first 997 GT3.
It would appear there are degrees of 'Stiffness' (oooeeeerrr missus) of gear-change we are on about here and not just a drivers perception.
Edited by nbetts on Monday 12th February 14:43
No experience of the 997GT3, but comparing 997S with and without the short shift, effort isn't much higher. Certainly wouldn't call it notchy.
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