Latest government proposals for road tolls
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From todays Telegraph. Stephen Ladymans attempt to win over protesting motorists .
Is he for real or what ?
Road pricing campaign
Motorists could be forced to pay £1.34 to drive a mile in city centres under a version of the controversial road pricing scheme now favoured by ministers.
The proposed charges: 2p a mile in the country; 4p to 9p in outer suburbs; 14p to 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 in city centres
Drivers would pay more to use roads in towns than on rural lanes if the Government goes ahead with a plan to divide the country into a patchwork of zones.
The charges under consideration are 2p a mile in the countryside; between 4p and 9p a mile in outer suburbs; between 14p and 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 a mile in city centres, according to a Department for Transport feasibility study.
Ministers have revealed details of the scheme in an attempt to win over the 1.8 million people who have signed a petition opposing road-pricing.
They believe the zonal system will allay privacy concerns raised by a plan in which each driver's car would be fitted with a tracking device.
Stephen Ladyman, the roads minister, said in a newspaper interview the zonal system would avoid the need for a complex system of varying prices for each street.
"All we would need to know is what zone you were in and whether you crossed into another," he said.
Is he for real or what ?
Road pricing campaign
Motorists could be forced to pay £1.34 to drive a mile in city centres under a version of the controversial road pricing scheme now favoured by ministers.
The proposed charges: 2p a mile in the country; 4p to 9p in outer suburbs; 14p to 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 in city centres
Drivers would pay more to use roads in towns than on rural lanes if the Government goes ahead with a plan to divide the country into a patchwork of zones.
The charges under consideration are 2p a mile in the countryside; between 4p and 9p a mile in outer suburbs; between 14p and 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 a mile in city centres, according to a Department for Transport feasibility study.
Ministers have revealed details of the scheme in an attempt to win over the 1.8 million people who have signed a petition opposing road-pricing.
They believe the zonal system will allay privacy concerns raised by a plan in which each driver's car would be fitted with a tracking device.
Stephen Ladyman, the roads minister, said in a newspaper interview the zonal system would avoid the need for a complex system of varying prices for each street.
"All we would need to know is what zone you were in and whether you crossed into another," he said.
runner911 said:
From todays Telegraph. Stephen Ladymans attempt to win over protesting motorists .
The charges under consideration are 2p a mile in the countryside; between 4p and 9p a mile in outer suburbs; between 14p and 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 a mile in city centres, according to a Department for Transport feasibility study.
The charges under consideration are 2p a mile in the countryside; between 4p and 9p a mile in outer suburbs; between 14p and 86p in inner suburbs and £1.34 a mile in city centres, according to a Department for Transport feasibility study.
Bit of a wide range 14p to 86p for inner suburbs and none of us would be surprised if it was the upper end.
Stephen Labyboy, listen to the masses,
we don't want this 
John
bumcrack said:
No chance, it's going to be just like the polltax riots all over again
I don't think so. I think its an election loser, though. All Cameron has to do is say "any progress on road tolling will be halted whilst we're in power" and a lot of floating voters - practically all of whom are motorists - will be won over.
People are generally massively holier than thou about saving the planet until they work out its going to change their lifestyles for the worst and cost them money. Then they vote with their feet for comfort and value. Drives the green-meanies and climate-religion-evangelists mad but its true. We're not a bunch of overprincipled idealists. We're practical.
Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas if they were offered a choice. In a democracy we get offered a choice once every four or five years.
And don't tell me there's nothing to choose between the main parties. Yes there is. Road tolling or not: It would appear...
I have thought for ages that simple solution is to scrap road tax and put the tax on fuel. This means you can't fail to collect the duty (also would save the millions spent on ad campaigns telling us how it's getting harder to avoid road tax) and it's basically pay-as-you-use which means it will cost more to drive a car that pollutes more and it will also cost more to drive a mile in a busy city than the country. There used to be an argument that by having to re-tax a car every year meant having to prove it was MOTd and insured, but there are now national databases for these.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
thegoose said:
I have thought for ages that simple solution is to scrap road tax and put the tax on fuel. This means you can't fail to collect the duty (also would save the millions spent on ad campaigns telling us how it's getting harder to avoid road tax) and it's basically pay-as-you-use which means it will cost more to drive a car that pollutes more and it will also cost more to drive a mile in a busy city than the country. There used to be an argument that by having to re-tax a car every year meant having to prove it was MOTd and insured, but there are now national databases for these.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
On Jersey you have to display an insurance disc in a similar way to the tax disc.
thegoose said:
I have thought for ages that simple solution is to scrap road tax and put the tax on fuel. This means you can't fail to collect the duty (also would save the millions spent on ad campaigns telling us how it's getting harder to avoid road tax) and it's basically pay-as-you-use which means it will cost more to drive a car that pollutes more and it will also cost more to drive a mile in a busy city than the country. There used to be an argument that by having to re-tax a car every year meant having to prove it was MOTd and insured, but there are now national databases for these.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
Incidentally, I would personally not necessarily benefit from this, but it just seems fairer, easy to implement and impossible to avoid. Lots of admin saved too, no SORN required either.
They'd LOVE to do just that I reckon. But for a couple of reasons:
1) They have found that when petrol gets really expensive there are demonstrations and protests. Next on the agenda after that are riots. No government wants to have to put down rioting. Looks really bad. And you get voted out after it usually.
2) Whilst as an environmental tax fuel duty is excellent. Its a true polluter pays tax and is brilliantly flexible in that however you choose to use more (big car, go further) you pay for that. Sadly alternative fuels and even better fuel consumption is meaning its not a revenue earner. Nor does it distinguish WHEN you use the vehicle. Which brings me to the next point:
3) Big business and green movements lobby successfully. Frankly Government listens to lobbyists far more than it should. Big business want the proles off the road so that they're vans and buses, executives and workers can get around quicly and efficiently....and screw the private motorist. The greenies just want to screw the private motorist.
So fuel tax just ain't enough for those purposes.
Evil feckers.
not car related but the proposed prices will also have a knock on effect to house prices, or at least their desirability and that could mean less people, if anyone will want to buy your house should you decide to move out.
imagine, you pay lets say a pound for arguments sake, just to start your car.
cant see ladyboys ideas happening tbh.
load of old tosh.
imagine, you pay lets say a pound for arguments sake, just to start your car.
cant see ladyboys ideas happening tbh.
load of old tosh.
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