Yet another TT price thread :)
Discussion
Whilst I was looking I was thinking the same thing.
I always wondered how someone could go and buy a car like the TT and select a Tip box as an option on it. Now I still have never driven a Tip TT but having owned my manual for a little while now, you can see how it would make sense.
The engine has so much torque in all gears, you really do not need to change gears that often to keep on the boil. A Tiptronic almost makes sense and suits the character of the car.
I cannot believe I have just admitted that
I would still never have one myself of course 
I always wondered how someone could go and buy a car like the TT and select a Tip box as an option on it. Now I still have never driven a Tip TT but having owned my manual for a little while now, you can see how it would make sense.
The engine has so much torque in all gears, you really do not need to change gears that often to keep on the boil. A Tiptronic almost makes sense and suits the character of the car.
I cannot believe I have just admitted that
I would still never have one myself of course Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
guyvert1 said:
Why are 996TT tiptronics so much cheaper? And while we're on the subject, how come there are so many for sale, was it a popular choice?
I saw some stats in the POorsche club magazine a few years ago and in the first 2 years I think the ratio of tip/manual 996TT sold in the UK was 2:3 in favour of manual. As mentioned by someone else, the reason you see more tips for sale is they take longer to shift.
Edited by dazren on Friday 30th March 11:37
dazren said:
guyvert1 said:
Why are 996TT tiptronics so much cheaper? And while we're on the subject, how come there are so many for sale, was it a popular choice?
I saw some stats in the POorsche club magazine a few years ago and in the first 2 years I think the ratio of tip/manual 996TT sold in the UK was 2/3 in favour of manual. As mentioned by someone else, the reason you see more tips for sale is they take longer to shift.
i suspect up til 2003 model year the manual build cars outweighed the tips.
However, every bloody 2003 and onwards tt i seem to find is a
ing tip and i bet there were more built as tip after this time than manuals.
speaking to my local opc service manager a few weeks ago about tips and he hit the nail on the head somewhat, "the type of people who buy a brand a new turbo are generally those who dont want to drive but rather be driven by a car hence they spec the tip option"
and then after several expletives about how crap tips are he suggested "i get the impression you dont particularly like tips sir......."
However, every bloody 2003 and onwards tt i seem to find is a
ing tip and i bet there were more built as tip after this time than manuals. speaking to my local opc service manager a few weeks ago about tips and he hit the nail on the head somewhat, "the type of people who buy a brand a new turbo are generally those who dont want to drive but rather be driven by a car hence they spec the tip option"
and then after several expletives about how crap tips are he suggested "i get the impression you dont particularly like tips sir......."
wetwipe said:
speaking to my local opc service manager a few weeks ago about tips and he hit the nail on the head somewhat, "the type of people who buy a brand a new turbo are generally those who dont want to drive but rather be driven by a car hence they spec the tip option"
and then after several expletives about how crap tips are he suggested "i get the impression you dont particularly like tips sir......."
reminds me of an occasion I was in an OPC and asking about availability of a used TT, salesman tried to convince me into a tip. Started getting irritating so I politely informed tips were utter crap and I would never ever buy one unless I had my left leg chopped off in an industrial accident. He then asked me to keep my voice down as the guy behind was just speecing a 997TT and admitted "I know they are crap but I had to try as they are a bit harder to shift". He said the other (elderly) customer orderd a new TT every two years, always tips, just pottered around in them, was not intereted in performance and just ordered a TT because "it is the top of the range 911"
I just don't understand it. Those sort of people have walked into the wrong showroom.
Although on the other hand, those sort of people are the ones that give us second hand buyers the cars with absolutely every option box ticked (although we then still have the Tip problem )
AdamB - Do you post on Boxa.net with the same alias?
Although on the other hand, those sort of people are the ones that give us second hand buyers the cars with absolutely every option box ticked (although we then still have the Tip problem
) AdamB - Do you post on Boxa.net with the same alias?
Edited by MaKSiNG on Friday 30th March 09:27
wrn said:
Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
That comment does you no justice, mate. You're a PHer, and so you must be a decent chap, but I am sorry that one comment in isolation would otherwise mark you out as a AAA rated w@nker.
Some of us "City wide boys" - who incidentally you rely on to make sure your pension fund does well - do like our cars, and can drive them properly thanks very much.
I bought a Tip because for 90% of the time I am in traffic, and frankly after a 14 hour day taking care of your retirement prospects I want to relax on the way home and let the transmission take the strain. The rest of the time I'll enjoy the full performance of the car in manual mode.
Baz Hartech has said a couple of times that once it's rolling, the Tip is the quicker car, and the 997 Turbo is faster in Tip form.
Perhaps you are one of the people who can slot gearchanges like Senna, and can mesh gear with gear with silky smooth precision as you shave off that vital tenth on the way to the nomex underpants shop.
Anyway, as I said, any PHer must be a good bloke, but thanks a million for boiling my p1ss this morning with your ridiculous sweeping statements.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 30th March 10:08
Vesuvius 996 said:
wrn said:
Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
That comment does you no justice, mate. You're a PHer, and so you must be a decent chap, but I am sorry that one comment in isolation would otherwise mark you out as a AAA rated w@nker.
Some of us "City wide boys" - who incidentally you rely on to make sure your pension fund does well - do like our cars, and can drive them properly thanks very much.
I bought a Tip because for 90% of the time I am in traffic, and frankly after a 14 hour day taking care of your retirement prospects I want to relax on the way home and let the transmission take the strain. The rest of the time I'll enjoy the full performance of the car in manual mode.
Baz Hartech has said a couple of times that once it's rolling, the Tip is the quicker car, and the 997 Turbo is faster in Tip form.
Perhaps you are one of the people who can slot gearchanges like Senna, and can mesh gear with gear with silky smooth precision as you shave off that vital tenth on the way to the nomex underpants shop.
Anyway, as I said, any PHer must be a good bloke, but thanks a million for boiling my p1ss this morning with your ridiculous sweeping statements.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 30th March 10:08
Oops - my post was slightly misinterpreted there. I live in Chelsea and most of my mates work in the City - so nothing against the City (though you aren't helping my pension fund as my disposable income has been routed away from fast appreciating investments and into fast depreciating toys).
My point was that the half the people who are buying new would never be on this forum, reading car mags or driving cars hard. They have little interest in cars - they just want the top of the range porker, they are not great drivers and tips suit them well. Oh - and half of that lot happen to work in the City - because that's where the wealth is concentrated.
I fully accept that a) there are car enthusiasts working in the City, b) City workers are not all wide-boys, c) there's nothing wrong with wide-boys anyway, d) Tips have their place in enthusiasts garages (subjectivity, horses for courses and all that).
Forgiven?
Edited by wrn on Friday 30th March 10:24
wrn said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
wrn said:
Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
That comment does you no justice, mate. You're a PHer, and so you must be a decent chap, but I am sorry that one comment in isolation would otherwise mark you out as a AAA rated w@nker.
Some of us "City wide boys" - who incidentally you rely on to make sure your pension fund does well - do like our cars, and can drive them properly thanks very much.
I bought a Tip because for 90% of the time I am in traffic, and frankly after a 14 hour day taking care of your retirement prospects I want to relax on the way home and let the transmission take the strain. The rest of the time I'll enjoy the full performance of the car in manual mode.
Baz Hartech has said a couple of times that once it's rolling, the Tip is the quicker car, and the 997 Turbo is faster in Tip form.
Perhaps you are one of the people who can slot gearchanges like Senna, and can mesh gear with gear with silky smooth precision as you shave off that vital tenth on the way to the nomex underpants shop.
Anyway, as I said, any PHer must be a good bloke, but thanks a million for boiling my p1ss this morning with your ridiculous sweeping statements.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 30th March 10:08
Oops - my post was slightly misinterpreted there. I live in Chelsea and most of my mates work in the City - so nothing against the City (though you aren't helping my pension fund as my disposable income has been routed away from fast appreciating investments and into fast depreciating toys).
My point was that the half the people who are buying new would never be on this forum, reading car mags or driving cars hard. They have little interest in cars - they just want the top of the range porker, they are not great drivers and tips suit them well. Oh - and half of that lot happen to work in the City - because that's where the wealth is concentrated.
I fully accept that a) there are car enthusiasts working in the City, b) City workers are not all wide-boys, c) there's nothing wrong with wide-boys anyway, d) Tips have their place in enthusiasts garages (subjectivity, horses for courses and all that).
Forgiven?
Edited by wrn on Friday 30th March 10:24
Yeah man. Sorry, bad morning.
*puts down bat*
This is a constant problem for us in the trade as well.
We generally avoid buying tiptronic turbo's as they are indeed harder to sell.
The theory about people ordering new turbos'as tips being down to them wanting the performance and not the hassle,is one that i agree with.
And indeed the people that buy them when its a few years older do mainly want them in manual mode.
Me personally,i prefer a tip as i am always in traffic.
Who isnt in traffic these days most of the time ?
I have driven tiptronic Porsches for 10 years now.
Every Porsche i have ever had has been tip from the first 964 in 1997.
And trust me i am not a cissy driver,nothing could be further from the truth,ask anyone who has ever sat with me.
All this about them being slower is absolute nonsense and i suspect most people who say that have never driven one.
The tip 996 turbo i believe is quicker in 90% of occasions from A to B.
A clutch on a 996 turbo is about £1500 fitted by the way about every 30 to 40 thousand miles and the tip box has its first service at 96000 miles i think.
We generally avoid buying tiptronic turbo's as they are indeed harder to sell.
The theory about people ordering new turbos'as tips being down to them wanting the performance and not the hassle,is one that i agree with.
And indeed the people that buy them when its a few years older do mainly want them in manual mode.
Me personally,i prefer a tip as i am always in traffic.
Who isnt in traffic these days most of the time ?
I have driven tiptronic Porsches for 10 years now.
Every Porsche i have ever had has been tip from the first 964 in 1997.
And trust me i am not a cissy driver,nothing could be further from the truth,ask anyone who has ever sat with me.
All this about them being slower is absolute nonsense and i suspect most people who say that have never driven one.
The tip 996 turbo i believe is quicker in 90% of occasions from A to B.
A clutch on a 996 turbo is about £1500 fitted by the way about every 30 to 40 thousand miles and the tip box has its first service at 96000 miles i think.
Vesuvius 996 said:
wrn said:
Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
That comment does you no justice, mate. You're a PHer, and so you must be a decent chap, but I am sorry that one comment in isolation would otherwise mark you out as a AAA rated w@nker.
Some of us "City wide boys" - who incidentally you rely on to make sure your pension fund does well - do like our cars, and can drive them properly thanks very much.
I bought a Tip because for 90% of the time I am in traffic, and frankly after a 14 hour day taking care of your retirement prospects I want to relax on the way home and let the transmission take the strain. The rest of the time I'll enjoy the full performance of the car in manual mode.
Baz Hartech has said a couple of times that once it's rolling, the Tip is the quicker car, and the 997 Turbo is faster in Tip form.
Perhaps you are one of the people who can slot gearchanges like Senna, and can mesh gear with gear with silky smooth precision as you shave off that vital tenth on the way to the nomex underpants shop.
Anyway, as I said, any PHer must be a good bloke, but thanks a million for boiling my p1ss this morning with your ridiculous sweeping statements.
So you are the man that made my pension scheme worth 2/3 of the original investment put into it are you.....
speedyellow said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
wrn said:
Why are there so many tips out there? New buyers of £100k cars are typically not enthusiasts - they are footballers and City wide-boys. They like all the toys, gimicks and gadgets and are a Porker salesman's dream - whacking on all the high margin extras. Oh - and they're not very good drivers so any help they can get with changing the gears is welcomed.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
Why are tips so much cheaper? Because the 996 Tip 'box is not a great box and it is slower than the manual. As cars get older they tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts - who are looking for manual gearboxes for a rawer driving experience. There is also more to go wrong on a tip - and it will therefore cost more to repair out of warranty.
That comment does you no justice, mate. You're a PHer, and so you must be a decent chap, but I am sorry that one comment in isolation would otherwise mark you out as a AAA rated w@nker.
Some of us "City wide boys" - who incidentally you rely on to make sure your pension fund does well - do like our cars, and can drive them properly thanks very much.
I bought a Tip because for 90% of the time I am in traffic, and frankly after a 14 hour day taking care of your retirement prospects I want to relax on the way home and let the transmission take the strain. The rest of the time I'll enjoy the full performance of the car in manual mode.
Baz Hartech has said a couple of times that once it's rolling, the Tip is the quicker car, and the 997 Turbo is faster in Tip form.
Perhaps you are one of the people who can slot gearchanges like Senna, and can mesh gear with gear with silky smooth precision as you shave off that vital tenth on the way to the nomex underpants shop.
Anyway, as I said, any PHer must be a good bloke, but thanks a million for boiling my p1ss this morning with your ridiculous sweeping statements.
So you are the man that made my pension scheme worth 2/3 of the original investment put into it are you.....
No sir. Not me. I am the man who makes the petrol that you put in your car, which keeps the oil company in profit, which means profit for shareholders = you.
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