Carrera GT at the ring, against an E30 M3...

[adamt]

Funniest film i have seen for ages, shows what happens when a good driver in a vastly outclassed car follows someone who doesnt know how to in an amazing car. Pretty interesting.

www.autoblog.com/2007/05/04/video-ring-battle-porsche-carrera-gt-vs-twin-turbo-e30-m3/

is it an english car? Or dutch couldnt tell?

best,
adam

[sportsandclassic]

Not bad for an old M3 they were not turbo charged from the factory were they ?

Id be pissed if that was behind me in a CGT as ive just paid out a 3rd world country debt to buy it.....

Mike

[davyboy]

I'd suggest if the video was filmed again today, the E30 M3 would not see which way the CGT went.

You have to learn at some point, and I am only pleased that there are people out there willing to drive a CGT in this manner.....and learn the ring in one!

[RSPhilip]

im not so sure....i think the guy in the GT is a smoother driver taking better lines but just not pushing it....the bmw seems to miss lots of apex's and is only hanging on due the dude in the GT not being willing to take risks and through it into the armco

Just my opinion ofcourse :-)

[egbert]

GT driver was driving nicely, I'm sure it takes a while to learn that circuit in a car like that.

[Dr S]

Would I care about the crappy Beemer if I was in the CGT?

I think the CGT is driven in a very smooth manner. There's just a few corners, where the driver struggles a bit to keep it neat. However, he appears to follow the old rule: start slowly and build speed gradually. The guy in the Beemer is fully on the limit and demonstrates very little control over his machine.

[Orangeboy]

I have to agree. The CGT looks pretty well driven to me, certainly well within the limits of the car and driver. The BMW looks like one of those cars that scare you to death at the ring, never sure if he really is going to try to belt up the inside, sliding as he goes. I wonder if he could maintain that pace without the CGT to follow?
I've only ever been round on bikes, and if everyone followed the top advice on davyboy's profile it would be a lot less scary!

[MichM3]

title says: "twin turbo e30 M3"...I assume this one produces about 400 bhp...but still, I'm impressed!

[FINFAST]

I don't know when the video was filmed but the CGT owner raced a gt3 cup car in the VLN series last year and I can tell you that if it was him driving it was well within his capabilities... If I owned a CGT I wouldnt go 10 tenths round the ring either... Also I can assure you an E30 M3 trying hard to keep up wouldnt bother him one little bit!

FYI - all E30 M3s left the factory naturally aspirated, but I have to say bolting on a couple of blowers looks like it makes a very capable car even more of a weapon...

[seawise]

the chap in the m3 appears to be wearing a baseball hat....

[timmo]

I say fair play to that man driving a Carrera GT round the ring on a tourist day !
I was there for 3 days last week and saw transit vans,Coaches and some mad lunatics
I for one would not drive a Carrera GT flat out there

tim

[CraigyB]

I would hate the sound fo the wastegate every gear change !

It looks like the chap in the cgt doesn't know the track so well, and is taking it a bit easy. Who can blame him....

[steve rance]

I know the driver of the CGT well. He has raced at a high level in various Formulae and is easily capable of sub 8 minute laps of the ring in a GT3 road car. The BMW looks like a bespoke ring car with a lot of power and I wouldn't be surprised if it was running slicks. If you take a CGT around the ring you have a target on your back, if you throw it up the wall it gonna cost you a lot more money than it would the BMW diver. The driver of the BMW would no doubt say he was racing the CGT, I doubt that the driver of the CGT was racing anybody.

It was nice to see them both come back in one piece.

The BMW does look quick though.

Steve R

[loach]

What a horrible sound that E30 is making now it's had a few turbos glued to it or whatever. Looks reasonably quick on boost, though. As for the vid, the BMW guy was going reasonably quickly, but that was kind of sloppy and messy driving a lot of the time. The CGT guy just looked like he was being cautious and nervous, and whatever about anything else - it was great to see a CGT on track. In any event, I don't imagine I'd be going 10/10ths there if I had a CGT, and that's part of the problem I have with cars like the CGT (the other part being I can't afford them).

Edited by loach on Wednesday 9th May 10:02

[amorgan]

This is quite old now this footage. I have seen it on many e30 m3 sites. I do believe from memory it has quite a bit more than 400bhp
Adrian

[968CSREADING]

Very entertaining.

Not having ever been on a track the BMW driver does seem to be driving like a knob (IMHO) and Im sure the CGT would have let him pass if he was fed up with him. Is it the chap who sometimes appears in Evo and now has an Enzo too?

BMW Driver with baseball cap = Grown up chav.

[davyboy]

Nice stereotyping there.

[adamt]

968CSREADING said:

Very entertaining.


BMW Driver with baseball cap = Grown up chav.

Or perhaps:

BMW driver with baseball cap = concerned about glare from the sun(?)

Overall its an entertaining video, and the CGT is being driven better than i initially thought. But it is cool that an E30 m3 with mods, can keep up with it, which is a good thing if for no other reason than we can hear the V10 for as long as poss.

best,
adam

[joeheavyslow]

The guy with the CGT also has a 911 gt3 rs race car which he races in the VLN. He's a bit of a legend actually. Met him on the last ring trip when he'd borrowed his mates gt3 rs road car to play with for the weekend.

[kleonard]

both of them are pretty useless...slow...!!