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Sorry if this has been covered but looking for comment /advice on the yellow versus red choice. Finally age 49 I'm going to buy one of my "dreams" A 996 Turbo. As regards brakes, 1 - are the pccb such an improvement for fast road use or mainly for track-day hero's ? 2- have early reliability issues been banished on, for instance ,a 2003 car, and if not would Porsche foot at least part of the bill? 3 - what is likely lifespan , and cost to replace when they do wear out 4 - any idea of practicality /cost to retrofit if I buy a "big-red" and wanted to retrofit pccb when I wear out the original discs?Again sorry if this has been covered but as time goes on people's experience increases so I thought it would be worth getting up to date gen.Cheers. DUH. . . . . OK I just used the search function, and a 5 min trawl suggests it might be less worrying for the future if I look at 2002/3 cars WITHOUT PCCB? shame, if nothing else they look nice , but 10 -12 big ones come replacement time if they are not already shot. . Ouch.
Edited by He Skunk on Friday 1st June 12:57
Welcome HS, opinions differ greatly on the PCCB option. I'm afraid that having had a less than wonderful experience with them, I think they're vastly overated. Others on here seem more than happy with them on the road (those fitted to the 997 GT3/RS even seem to be OK with track use so far)
Personally I think they're a waste of time on a four wheel drive car like the 996 Turbo, as there's already the weight of the diff up front, a pair of driveshafts flailing around with all their attendant CV joints etc. I appreciate we're talking unsprung weight with the discs, but I'm still not convinced of the benefits)
I find it hard to believe the reduced weight of the PCCB discs is THAT noticeable over the steel option (the move to ceramics on the GT2 was understandable as the discs were increased in weight due to the increase in diameter to 350mm as opposed to the 330mm ones used on the Turbo)
If you intend to track the car I'd steer well clear (or take them off and replace with steels)
If the car is road use only and the discs are in perfect condition I'd be happy to leave them on the car.
Hope this helps !
Personally I think they're a waste of time on a four wheel drive car like the 996 Turbo, as there's already the weight of the diff up front, a pair of driveshafts flailing around with all their attendant CV joints etc. I appreciate we're talking unsprung weight with the discs, but I'm still not convinced of the benefits)
I find it hard to believe the reduced weight of the PCCB discs is THAT noticeable over the steel option (the move to ceramics on the GT2 was understandable as the discs were increased in weight due to the increase in diameter to 350mm as opposed to the 330mm ones used on the Turbo)
If you intend to track the car I'd steer well clear (or take them off and replace with steels)
If the car is road use only and the discs are in perfect condition I'd be happy to leave them on the car.
Hope this helps !
I've got them and run them for just over a year with mostly spirited road use, (no track use), they have no done 24k miles with no probs whatsoever. The front discs do show more wear than the back ones but nothing concerning. I love the yellow calipers and love having ceramic brakes for the 'pub talk' factor. Most of all I love the lack of brake dust on my wheels.
I'll probably cry if/when they fail, but they may not for a long time, certainly not everyone's have failed prematurely. I'd be interested to know percentages of failure over the market as I suspect this forum is not representative of a typical driver but rather represents more enthusiastic drivers and consequently, their views.
I'll probably cry if/when they fail, but they may not for a long time, certainly not everyone's have failed prematurely. I'd be interested to know percentages of failure over the market as I suspect this forum is not representative of a typical driver but rather represents more enthusiastic drivers and consequently, their views.
Edited by chillerman on Friday 1st June 14:04
It's true that early generation PCCBs did suffer some premature failures. But buying a 996 (Turbo or GT3) with PCCBs isn't a big risk. If they perform as intended - great. If they do need replacing simply fit a new set of steel brakes.
The PCCBs fitted to 997 GT3s and Turbos are Generation 3 and appear to deliver as intended.
The PCCBs fitted to 997 GT3s and Turbos are Generation 3 and appear to deliver as intended.
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