996 GT2 on a wet track.......
Discussion
Morning guys,
I took my GT2 to bedford last weekend and the weather was pretty horrid, lots of showers and the track was very slippy. My car has been modified and so more power than the standard model and running on 19" wheels. Whats the general verdict of how they handle on a wet track as I found it more than a handful - in the dry spells we had later that day I absolutely loved it, but in the wet I really struggled
Are there any advanced driving courses that GT2 owners have been on and would recommend for the track?
Cheers
I took my GT2 to bedford last weekend and the weather was pretty horrid, lots of showers and the track was very slippy. My car has been modified and so more power than the standard model and running on 19" wheels. Whats the general verdict of how they handle on a wet track as I found it more than a handful - in the dry spells we had later that day I absolutely loved it, but in the wet I really struggled
Are there any advanced driving courses that GT2 owners have been on and would recommend for the track?
Cheers
The problem with bedford on saturday was that everytime it rained the track became very slippery for twenty minutes due to all the oil/petrol on the tight corners.
If it had continued to rain it would have cleaned it up a bit but it kept stopping/starting making conditions a little tricky, especially in places like the chicane down the long straight.
If it had continued to rain it would have cleaned it up a bit but it kept stopping/starting making conditions a little tricky, especially in places like the chicane down the long straight.
SFD - Apart from the training which is always a good investment, even sitting with other drivers helps and its free. I am always jumping into other peoples cars cos i can pick up a bit here and there.
BTW - When its slippy its slippy, no car goes well, you have to back right off and it feels like you are walking.
Only sticky new rubber will make the difference, i have often found myself at a track day with worn out rubber and its just rained....just have to grin and bear it when the Subarus come past.
BTW - When its slippy its slippy, no car goes well, you have to back right off and it feels like you are walking.
Only sticky new rubber will make the difference, i have often found myself at a track day with worn out rubber and its just rained....just have to grin and bear it when the Subarus come past.
Most cars are hard to handle in the wet, but if you are using the right line, it helps a lot more. Wet lines are completely different to dry ones; you need to go off the normal racing line to avoid the slippery rubber, oil and diesel that is brought out of the tarmac when it rains. At some tracks it makes a huge difference like Silverstone and places like Donington, it does not do too much. It just depends on where you are to be honest. Your driving style also has to change quite a bit in the wet.
I can offer you instruction/advanced driving in your Porsche at a track day and teach you more about wet or dry driving and how to handle it.
www.seanedwards.eu
I can offer you instruction/advanced driving in your Porsche at a track day and teach you more about wet or dry driving and how to handle it.
www.seanedwards.eu
I used to be very wary in the wet but must say that, with tuition, I have learned to enjoy and exploit it. Virtually every track day I go to I am always humbled by the same, excellent GT3RS driver (which just goes to show that power isn't everything) until it rains at which point I can peg him level. In my experience Steve is right - sniff out the grip with the fronts (rumbling tread blocks usually heralding the last hint of grip) then ease your way back on the power as you unwind. The look on the Scooby drivers face as you go past them is priceless!!
If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
drhildr said:
I used to be very wary in the wet but must say that, with tuition, I have learned to enjoy and exploit it. Virtually every track day I go to I am always humbled by the same, excellent GT3RS driver (which just goes to show that power isn't everything) until it rains at which point I can peg him level. In my experience Steve is right - sniff out the grip with the fronts (rumbling tread blocks usually heralding the last hint of grip) then ease your way back on the power as you unwind. The look on the Scooby drivers face as you go past them is priceless!!
If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
If your GT2 is set right, then you should never be humbled by a GT3RS.If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
Kurgen said:
drhildr said:
I used to be very wary in the wet but must say that, with tuition, I have learned to enjoy and exploit it. Virtually every track day I go to I am always humbled by the same, excellent GT3RS driver (which just goes to show that power isn't everything) until it rains at which point I can peg him level. In my experience Steve is right - sniff out the grip with the fronts (rumbling tread blocks usually heralding the last hint of grip) then ease your way back on the power as you unwind. The look on the Scooby drivers face as you go past them is priceless!!
If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
If your GT2 is set right, then you should never be humbled by a GT3RS.If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
Spot on Rick - The Ruf set up on my GT2 is perfect and the car is not in the slightest slow so it is rare indeed that it is put in the shade but this one particular driver gets me every time. Credit where credit due he is just a better driver than me!
I always smile when people approach the fastest guy on the track and make comments akin to "That's a fast car" - there seems to be a psychological barrier with acknowledging the hard truth that the driver is usually the key.
that's assuming that both drivers are of the same kind of standard, confidence level and knowledge of the track.
I always smile when people approach the fastest guy on the track and make comments akin to "That's a fast car" - there seems to be a psychological barrier with acknowledging the hard truth that the driver is usually the key.
rick111s said:
Kurgen said:
drhildr said:
I used to be very wary in the wet but must say that, with tuition, I have learned to enjoy and exploit it. Virtually every track day I go to I am always humbled by the same, excellent GT3RS driver (which just goes to show that power isn't everything) until it rains at which point I can peg him level. In my experience Steve is right - sniff out the grip with the fronts (rumbling tread blocks usually heralding the last hint of grip) then ease your way back on the power as you unwind. The look on the Scooby drivers face as you go past them is priceless!!
If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
If your GT2 is set right, then you should never be humbled by a GT3RS.If you want to learn more try someone like John Bussell or the like.
PS - a decent geo is essential of course!
Hi SFD - cant make the July but will be there in August I hope. Car was sick last time (MAF sensor)so I am looking to push over the 200 next time out. Taking her to Snetterton next Weds....
SpeedFreakDave said:
Cool thanks, yes I now have the Parr Stage 1 setup. Are you doing Vmax in a couple of weeks?
Steve Rance said:
you need to sniff out the grip in the wet. Often the wet line is completely different to the dry line. As a rule, stay off the rubber laid down from turn in to exit.
good advice from steve, drivnig off the line is often used in karting when its wet and does pay dividends, altough like someone else has said when its wet there is just less grip!
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