Is PCM worth it?
Discussion
Just spec'd a new Cayenne and under serious pressure from dealer to put PCM on it.
I'm a bit unsure, as that £2k would help pay for the 21" rims that we're putting on it. OK, the PCM looks nice in the dash, compared to the 'hole' if you don't have it, but then again, I always find gaps like that great for mobiles, etc.
Dealer says it will reduce car by £2.5k at resale (Glasses Guide says so too!). The way I look at it that means I'll only lose £500ish over the 2 or 3 years that my wife will have it. Will prob. sell car privately.
I know it looks well, but why spend £2k now to only save £2.5k at resale, when I probably wont use the PCM (where I live we don't really need PCM, as we tend to know where we're going!).
Any ideas, or other experiences of PCM?
Thanks
I'm a bit unsure, as that £2k would help pay for the 21" rims that we're putting on it. OK, the PCM looks nice in the dash, compared to the 'hole' if you don't have it, but then again, I always find gaps like that great for mobiles, etc.
Dealer says it will reduce car by £2.5k at resale (Glasses Guide says so too!). The way I look at it that means I'll only lose £500ish over the 2 or 3 years that my wife will have it. Will prob. sell car privately.
I know it looks well, but why spend £2k now to only save £2.5k at resale, when I probably wont use the PCM (where I live we don't really need PCM, as we tend to know where we're going!).
Any ideas, or other experiences of PCM?
Thanks
JohnV said:
Just spec'd a new Cayenne and under serious pressure from dealer to put PCM on it.
I'm a bit unsure, as that £2k would help pay for the 21" rims that we're putting on it. OK, the PCM looks nice in the dash, compared to the 'hole' if you don't have it, but then again, I always find gaps like that great for mobiles, etc.
Dealer says it will reduce car by £2.5k at resale (Glasses Guide says so too!). The way I look at it that means I'll only lose £500ish over the 2 or 3 years that my wife will have it. Will prob. sell car privately.
I know it looks well, but why spend £2k now to only save £2.5k at resale, when I probably wont use the PCM (where I live we don't really need PCM, as we tend to know where we're going!).
Any ideas, or other experiences of PCM?
Thanks
altho it is useful, if you personally won't find it so, then don't worry about it. Also, bear in mind car comms gadgets are updating every 3 mnths. In 2/3 yrs, there'll be plenty alternative add-on gizmos for potential purchasers of your car.I'm a bit unsure, as that £2k would help pay for the 21" rims that we're putting on it. OK, the PCM looks nice in the dash, compared to the 'hole' if you don't have it, but then again, I always find gaps like that great for mobiles, etc.
Dealer says it will reduce car by £2.5k at resale (Glasses Guide says so too!). The way I look at it that means I'll only lose £500ish over the 2 or 3 years that my wife will have it. Will prob. sell car privately.
I know it looks well, but why spend £2k now to only save £2.5k at resale, when I probably wont use the PCM (where I live we don't really need PCM, as we tend to know where we're going!).
Any ideas, or other experiences of PCM?
Thanks
My brother is looking at the same car and asked the same question.
The dealer said it'll be worth £3k less come trade in time because he wouldn't be able to sell it without, so would have to fit it and that would cost £3k.
This is the same dealer that wanted him to change his discs at 26k miles.........when it was still on the original pads.
Draw your own conclusions.
The dealer said it'll be worth £3k less come trade in time because he wouldn't be able to sell it without, so would have to fit it and that would cost £3k.
This is the same dealer that wanted him to change his discs at 26k miles.........when it was still on the original pads.
Draw your own conclusions.
Dunno how much it will add to resale value, but a car like this most people will want sat-nav, so you will be eliminating a lot of your target market come resale.
The clip on screen mounted tomtoms are pretty pikey compared to the modern in dash units, and require constant hiding to stop people breaking into your car for it. Definitely a poor substitute due to this inconvenience and that is before you get into the poor quality of the gps and lack of good inertial sensors for dead-reckoning in most of them.
Also do you see no value in having a car with nav for the time you own it? I love having nav in my cars. It makes life better.
The clip on screen mounted tomtoms are pretty pikey compared to the modern in dash units, and require constant hiding to stop people breaking into your car for it. Definitely a poor substitute due to this inconvenience and that is before you get into the poor quality of the gps and lack of good inertial sensors for dead-reckoning in most of them.
Also do you see no value in having a car with nav for the time you own it? I love having nav in my cars. It makes life better.
Edited by DanH on Thursday 21st June 13:07
It just makes the Dash look better IMO, Tidier and worth the £45k+ that i assume you are paying for the car,i personally think it should come as standard and find ir ridiculous that Porsche is charging extra for it. P.S. The 21inch RIMS ruine the ride of the car so take that into consideration and make sure to pay for the best tyres you can get as low profile cheaper tyres seem to puncture very easily on todays roads.
Thanks everyone,
I think I'm picking up the message that I should go for the PCM.
i) looks better in dash
ii) may help resale/ generate higher resale price
iii) I might actual use it (but doubt it) - I saw a few comments online about the PCM being hooked up easily to MP3 players, so maybe that's how I'll use it.
Seems like a lot of money for very little - but hey, that's the option list from Porsche!
The 21's look like the dogs b####ocks, thou maybe if they ruin the ride we should just go back to the 18" Turbo II rims. A lot cheaper, ride well and whilst they aren't as big, they do look good. I don't seem to like any of the 19's that Porsche offer.
Maybe this should be a new thread?
I think I'm picking up the message that I should go for the PCM.
i) looks better in dash
ii) may help resale/ generate higher resale price
iii) I might actual use it (but doubt it) - I saw a few comments online about the PCM being hooked up easily to MP3 players, so maybe that's how I'll use it.
Seems like a lot of money for very little - but hey, that's the option list from Porsche!
The 21's look like the dogs b####ocks, thou maybe if they ruin the ride we should just go back to the 18" Turbo II rims. A lot cheaper, ride well and whilst they aren't as big, they do look good. I don't seem to like any of the 19's that Porsche offer.
Maybe this should be a new thread?
LOL - You cant win, i think the 18s are maybe just too small, 19s are perfect - Sorry.
Turbos 20inchers look good - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/182030.htm
Turbos 20inchers look good - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/182030.htm
Edited by Wanta996 on Thursday 21st June 12:41
hog 1 said:
Spec PCM and forget about big wheels. 2nd generation suspension was designed for 19" wheels and is much admired by the competition.
Seconded. I had a brand new Cayenne S with the 20 inch sport technos as a courtesy car recently. Up until that point i had always wanted them for my car. The ride is considerably harder and the car tram lines badly (even though tyres were still the 275x45 that i have). I bought my C.S with 18 inch, then upgraded to 19 inch. IMO they are the best of the three that i had driven. Are you getting air or steel suspension?I have PCM with integrated phone (essential these days?) and really like it. Very easy to use, big screen and obviously integrated needs no recharging/power leads. Only downside is that Porsche dont update mapping discs often enough, which is where after-market Tom Toms etc have the edge.
Thanks again everyone,
I must say, this is the best forum I've come across.
I've taken the advice and going to change spec in the morning to PCM.
Also taking the advice that 21s are a very hard ride and 18" turbo IIs are too small. I've settled in the middle on the 20" Sport Design wheels (don't like the current 19s). Here's a pic of them on another black C -
www.pistonheads.com/sales/182029.htm
So there you go, that's how to spend a fortune on an SUV that the government will delightfully tax the hell out of us over the next few years. Resale will prob be 2p!!!
Cheers all!
J
I must say, this is the best forum I've come across.
I've taken the advice and going to change spec in the morning to PCM.
Also taking the advice that 21s are a very hard ride and 18" turbo IIs are too small. I've settled in the middle on the 20" Sport Design wheels (don't like the current 19s). Here's a pic of them on another black C -
www.pistonheads.com/sales/182029.htm
So there you go, that's how to spend a fortune on an SUV that the government will delightfully tax the hell out of us over the next few years. Resale will prob be 2p!!!
Cheers all!
J
blueyes said:
My brother is looking at the same car and asked the same question.
The dealer said it'll be worth £3k less come trade in time because he wouldn't be able to sell it without, so would have to fit it and that would cost £3k.
This is the same dealer that wanted him to change his discs at 26k miles.........when it was still on the original pads.
Draw your own conclusions.
my take on this is as follows, PCM costs £2k, is "worth" £500 on resale on the basis that options depreciate way quicker than car itself. But on a Cayenne NO ONE will buy you car without PCM, without it out a prospective buyer is going to want a considerable discount to be persuaded to buy it, certainly not £500 and £3k seems reasonable.The dealer said it'll be worth £3k less come trade in time because he wouldn't be able to sell it without, so would have to fit it and that would cost £3k.
This is the same dealer that wanted him to change his discs at 26k miles.........when it was still on the original pads.
Draw your own conclusions.
So good job you specced IMHO
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I hope my questions are relevant.
1. Why is Porsche (and BMW, Merc, VW...) satnav so expensive compared to a top of the range Tomtom? It's certainly not better, and surely the cost to Porsche et. al. for producing and fitting it is less than Tomtom pay to both build and market their product?
2. Is it possible to retro-fit PCM after ordering? If so, isn't there a ready market in going to a breaker and buying the satnav modules from stacked 997s, Cayennes, etc.?
1. Why is Porsche (and BMW, Merc, VW...) satnav so expensive compared to a top of the range Tomtom? It's certainly not better, and surely the cost to Porsche et. al. for producing and fitting it is less than Tomtom pay to both build and market their product?
2. Is it possible to retro-fit PCM after ordering? If so, isn't there a ready market in going to a breaker and buying the satnav modules from stacked 997s, Cayennes, etc.?
mikeg996 said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I hope my questions are relevant.
1. Why is Porsche (and BMW, Merc, VW...) satnav so expensive compared to a top of the range Tomtom? It's certainly not better, and surely the cost to Porsche et. al. for producing and fitting it is less than Tomtom pay to both build and market their product?
A. Because they CAN. They know, you know it'll affect resale if you don't have it, so they charge what they can get away with.1. Why is Porsche (and BMW, Merc, VW...) satnav so expensive compared to a top of the range Tomtom? It's certainly not better, and surely the cost to Porsche et. al. for producing and fitting it is less than Tomtom pay to both build and market their product?
When specing my car, the thieving tossers wanted to charge me £100 to have the headlamp washer-jet covers painted body colour instead of chrome coloured, FFS, they are only domes the size of 10p pieces!!!
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