997 Turbo Questions
Discussion
Any/many owners on here? Can't seem to find many posts?
Am seriously considering taking the plunge but torn between a Turbo and the V8 Vantage and intersted in opinions ...
I've had the RS4 for 17 months now and time for a change ... fancy something a little impractical for 6 months months and then plan to go back to another RS, albeit an Avant.
- Anyone got any sense of how the market is for the Turbo? I know I am going to take a hit in depreciation but they seem to be holding up pretty well at the moment? Just want to know what to budget as a hit over six months .. I was guessing about £1500 a month?
- I also REALLY like the Cobalt Blue but not sure if this is going to be a problem come resale?
- Seen a couple for sale that have already had 2 owners (speculators I guess) so I would be the third come resale at 12-18 months old, problem?
- Last but not least, anyone recommend any insurance companies .. Elephant, who I am with have a limit at £50k, tried a couple of online ones that are either £50k or £75k limit .. who will insure a £100k car?
Trying to plan a back to back test drive at the weekend!!
Cheers!
Am seriously considering taking the plunge but torn between a Turbo and the V8 Vantage and intersted in opinions ...
I've had the RS4 for 17 months now and time for a change ... fancy something a little impractical for 6 months months and then plan to go back to another RS, albeit an Avant.
- Anyone got any sense of how the market is for the Turbo? I know I am going to take a hit in depreciation but they seem to be holding up pretty well at the moment? Just want to know what to budget as a hit over six months .. I was guessing about £1500 a month?
- I also REALLY like the Cobalt Blue but not sure if this is going to be a problem come resale?
- Seen a couple for sale that have already had 2 owners (speculators I guess) so I would be the third come resale at 12-18 months old, problem?
- Last but not least, anyone recommend any insurance companies .. Elephant, who I am with have a limit at £50k, tried a couple of online ones that are either £50k or £75k limit .. who will insure a £100k car?
Trying to plan a back to back test drive at the weekend!!
Cheers!
- Anyone got any sense of how the market is for the Turbo? I know I am going to take a hit in depreciation but they seem to be holding up pretty well at the moment? Just want to know what to budget as a hit over six months .. I was guessing about £1500 a month?
It's a very tight market. I saw a 997tt in black with 15,000 miles for sale through an OPC for list-£2000. The car is highly desirable, goes like a rocket and is beautiful. A test drive of a 997tt on a fantastic A road was the most fun I have ever had in a car. It's awesome - knock down to second and floor it and the acceleration is just bonkers. It's like the hand of God is pushing your forwards towards the horizon while at the same time pulling the ground back out of your way. Awesome, amazing, fantastic.
But I didn't buy it. I know what I am like - I'm not that good a driver and I'd lose my license in five minutes flat...
- I also REALLY like the Cobalt Blue but not sure if this is going to be a problem come resale?
I have a Cobalt Blue 997 C2S. I love the colour but I am biased. To be fair, there are a considerable number of Cobalt Blue turbos out there - most times I have looked on the Porsche website this has been the most popular colour for 997tt. It was a launch colour.
- Seen a couple for sale that have already had 2 owners (speculators I guess) so I would be the third come resale at 12-18 months old, problem?
Not in my mind if you have the 111 point check. The thing that I would look at is the clutch and the feel of the car. I might get shot at for this, but I don't think that there are many (note: many) people who track a new 997tt. So just check what sort of driving the previous owner has done.
- Last but not least, anyone recommend any insurance companies .. Elephant, who I am with have a limit at £50k, tried a couple of online ones that are either £50k or £75k limit .. who will insure a £100k car?
A plan. They'll pretty much cover anything. But it'll cost!! You'll pretty much have to garage it and get the tracker switched on.
Happy motoring. If you get one you will rarely if ever have a smile off your face. Best driveable, everyday, production car in the world ever.
It's a very tight market. I saw a 997tt in black with 15,000 miles for sale through an OPC for list-£2000. The car is highly desirable, goes like a rocket and is beautiful. A test drive of a 997tt on a fantastic A road was the most fun I have ever had in a car. It's awesome - knock down to second and floor it and the acceleration is just bonkers. It's like the hand of God is pushing your forwards towards the horizon while at the same time pulling the ground back out of your way. Awesome, amazing, fantastic.
But I didn't buy it. I know what I am like - I'm not that good a driver and I'd lose my license in five minutes flat...
- I also REALLY like the Cobalt Blue but not sure if this is going to be a problem come resale?
I have a Cobalt Blue 997 C2S. I love the colour but I am biased. To be fair, there are a considerable number of Cobalt Blue turbos out there - most times I have looked on the Porsche website this has been the most popular colour for 997tt. It was a launch colour.
- Seen a couple for sale that have already had 2 owners (speculators I guess) so I would be the third come resale at 12-18 months old, problem?
Not in my mind if you have the 111 point check. The thing that I would look at is the clutch and the feel of the car. I might get shot at for this, but I don't think that there are many (note: many) people who track a new 997tt. So just check what sort of driving the previous owner has done.
- Last but not least, anyone recommend any insurance companies .. Elephant, who I am with have a limit at £50k, tried a couple of online ones that are either £50k or £75k limit .. who will insure a £100k car?
A plan. They'll pretty much cover anything. But it'll cost!! You'll pretty much have to garage it and get the tracker switched on.
Happy motoring. If you get one you will rarely if ever have a smile off your face. Best driveable, everyday, production car in the world ever.
I am realy fed up with people commenting on my Porsche ownership, "ÿou must make a lot of money..." hinting there is something fishy going on.
Anyway I have a standard reply, starts with a question to this person : "what is the difference between you and me ??" You will then get a big blank on his face. My answer "You can nag about it, but I have the car s keys in my pocket !!!"
This usualy ends the conversation
Enjoy it
Ronny
Anyway I have a standard reply, starts with a question to this person : "what is the difference between you and me ??" You will then get a big blank on his face. My answer "You can nag about it, but I have the car s keys in my pocket !!!"
This usualy ends the conversation
Enjoy it
Ronny
I can't comment on the 997 but from my experience of 996 turbos, when they fell in price a bit to become a little more mainstream, the market seemed awash with slushboxes so they tended to be cheaper and most enthusiasts seemed to want the control of a manual. If depreciation is an issue I'd suggest this is a consideration.
Although cleverly Porsche might have tried to mitigate against this a bit by making big of the fact the auto 997 turbo does 0-60 a few tenths quicker.
SM
Although cleverly Porsche might have tried to mitigate against this a bit by making big of the fact the auto 997 turbo does 0-60 a few tenths quicker.
SM
I have had mine for a few months, it is a phenomenal car, quite deceptive. I can pootle about town with young daughter in back who does not like speed or noise (! she will learn) and the car is easy and placid. Then by myself it is quick, responsive, smooth output. I am still learning it has caught off guard a few times more me getting to know the car. I am insured with Zurich. It is Altas grey - good masculine colour to prove I am not gay with a Tip 'box ;-). Never think of depreciation when buying cars like this, just enjoy the moment.
Edited by Stickshifter on Thursday 19th July 09:05
Thanks for all the comments guys ... very helpful!!!
The Atlas Grey looks fantastic
Going to try and fix up the drives tomorrow, I am pretty sure my mind is already made up though!!!
Not sure I like the sound of being treated like a w@nker
but if that's the only downside I think I could live with it ... The RS ownership has been an all round good one 
The Atlas Grey looks fantastic
Going to try and fix up the drives tomorrow, I am pretty sure my mind is already made up though!!!
Not sure I like the sound of being treated like a w@nker
but if that's the only downside I think I could live with it ... The RS ownership has been an all round good one I would be surprised if the turbo were a disappointment after the RS4. Am currently running both and rate the Audi very highly, as incidentally did Autocar this week in their twin test with the new M3. Last week I took it down the Route Napoleon to Florence and then back through the Alps over the Gotthard, Furka and Grimsel passes. Superb.
But the turbo is at another level. One of the Porsche specialist mags recently ran a test of the four main 911 variants. Not entirely unexpectedly they came down in favour of the GT3 but the conclusion on the turbo was that given a bit of rain it would be untouchable. As it was it matched the GT3 on the track on road tyres(despite the GT3 being on MPSC's) and blew everything, GT3RS included, into to the weeds in a straight line.
Mine's manual and I find the clutch and gearbox very light and precise. But if you can go from 50-70 in 5th in 3.1 secs being in exactly the right gear is not such a big issue.
Go for it and join the connoisseurs!
But the turbo is at another level. One of the Porsche specialist mags recently ran a test of the four main 911 variants. Not entirely unexpectedly they came down in favour of the GT3 but the conclusion on the turbo was that given a bit of rain it would be untouchable. As it was it matched the GT3 on the track on road tyres(despite the GT3 being on MPSC's) and blew everything, GT3RS included, into to the weeds in a straight line.
Mine's manual and I find the clutch and gearbox very light and precise. But if you can go from 50-70 in 5th in 3.1 secs being in exactly the right gear is not such a big issue.
Go for it and join the connoisseurs!
lowndes said:
I would be surprised if the turbo were a disappointment after the RS4. Am currently running both and rate the Audi very highly, as incidentally did Autocar this week in their twin test with the new M3. Last week I took it down the Route Napoleon to Florence and then back through the Alps over the Gotthard, Furka and Grimsel passes. Superb.
But the turbo is at another level. One of the Porsche specialist mags recently ran a test of the four main 911 variants. Not entirely unexpectedly they came down in favour of the GT3 but the conclusion on the turbo was that given a bit of rain it would be untouchable. As it was it matched the GT3 on the track on road tyres(despite the GT3 being on MPSC's) and blew everything, GT3RS included, into to the weeds in a straight line.
Mine's manual and I find the clutch and gearbox very light and precise. But if you can go from 50-70 in 5th in 3.1 secs being in exactly the right gear is not such a big issue.
Go for it and join the connoisseurs!
I'm a bit surprised about your statements on track performance. Albeit I'd agree that the 997TT is a terrific road car, I was disappointed how clumsy it felt on track. Not to mention how the GT3's and GT3RS's that played with it like it was a large barge. Ceramics of the TT were steaming after just three rounds on the small Paul Ricard circuit with the car being driven by a former race driver.But the turbo is at another level. One of the Porsche specialist mags recently ran a test of the four main 911 variants. Not entirely unexpectedly they came down in favour of the GT3 but the conclusion on the turbo was that given a bit of rain it would be untouchable. As it was it matched the GT3 on the track on road tyres(despite the GT3 being on MPSC's) and blew everything, GT3RS included, into to the weeds in a straight line.
Mine's manual and I find the clutch and gearbox very light and precise. But if you can go from 50-70 in 5th in 3.1 secs being in exactly the right gear is not such a big issue.
Go for it and join the connoisseurs!
Had my 997 tt since Mar 07 and it is the quickest road car I've ever driven. Its in a different league to usual gaggle of fast saloons. Very very easy to drive and having driven both the tip and man the man is the better drive by a mile imo. The tip holds on to gears and lets go of gears all over the place.
I went for black with black as I'm not sure about all the air vents everywhere and think it looks nice and discreet. Have seen slate grey and meteor grey cars - these colours look stunning in my view.
Perhaps because I'm relatively young (in my mid thirties with clean license max nc bonus) insurance was much more than expected at £2k although this does include free membership to PCGB and free track days. Insurance broker Performance Marque 0121 248 0911.
I agree one shouldn't look at depreciation when buying any car really but I think its about £1k a month.
Theres only a six month waiting list now so you should try and buy a new car.
I've had the car up at Bedford autodrome and its easily as quick as a GT3 or RS around one lap on cup rubber but the latter are the better bet for trackdays as they're nicer around a track due to low weight and rear wheel drive. On most/90% roads (i.e 90% of the time) the turbo would leave any other Porsche perhaps any other car this side of a Veyron for dust. Most of the people I know who have GT3's only get to 4-5 track days a year which is a bit of a waste in my view as these cars should be driven every day.
I wish I had the balls to go for the new GT2. Now that looks perfect!
I went for black with black as I'm not sure about all the air vents everywhere and think it looks nice and discreet. Have seen slate grey and meteor grey cars - these colours look stunning in my view.
Perhaps because I'm relatively young (in my mid thirties with clean license max nc bonus) insurance was much more than expected at £2k although this does include free membership to PCGB and free track days. Insurance broker Performance Marque 0121 248 0911.
I agree one shouldn't look at depreciation when buying any car really but I think its about £1k a month.
Theres only a six month waiting list now so you should try and buy a new car.
I've had the car up at Bedford autodrome and its easily as quick as a GT3 or RS around one lap on cup rubber but the latter are the better bet for trackdays as they're nicer around a track due to low weight and rear wheel drive. On most/90% roads (i.e 90% of the time) the turbo would leave any other Porsche perhaps any other car this side of a Veyron for dust. Most of the people I know who have GT3's only get to 4-5 track days a year which is a bit of a waste in my view as these cars should be driven every day.
I wish I had the balls to go for the new GT2. Now that looks perfect!
Edited by IMI A on Friday 20th July 19:06
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I'm a bit surprised about your statements on track performance. Albeit I'd agree that the 997TT is a terrific road car, I was disappointed how clumsy it felt on track. Not to mention how the GT3's and GT3RS's that played with it like it was a large barge. Ceramics of the TT were steaming after just three rounds on the small Paul Ricard circuit with the car being driven by a former race driver.
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to sugggest any firsthand knowledge of the GT3 and RS but was simply referring to the test in August 2007 edition of GT Porsche magazine. I would most certainly agree that the track is not the turbo's natural habitat, albeit it apparently barges its way round surprisingly effectively.
I did not buy mine as a track day tool as I find the 964RS fits that bill rather better.
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I'm a bit surprised about your statements on track performance. Albeit I'd agree that the 997TT is a terrific road car, I was disappointed how clumsy it felt on track. Not to mention how the GT3's and GT3RS's that played with it like it was a large barge. Ceramics of the TT were steaming after just three rounds on the small Paul Ricard circuit with the car being driven by a former race driver.
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to sugggest any firsthand knowledge of the GT3 and RS but was simply referring to the test in August 2007 edition of GT Porsche magazine. I would most certainly agree that the track is not the turbo's natural habitat, albeit it apparently barges its way round surprisingly effectively.
I did not buy mine as a track day tool as I find the 964RS fits that bill rather better.
Milbrook well worth attending. Alpine fast road section which is great fun. We were there on the same day as Aston Martin and a few of them broke down!!Got the car up to 165mph on mile straight although a better driver may be able to squeeze another 5-10mph out of the turbo on same section. 175mph around the oval felt like we were only doing 100mph. Car is incredibly stable at high speed. The day helps you get a feel for how capable and civilised the car is in a way you could never do on public roads.
Edited by IMI A on Saturday 21st July 10:59
I've had my Artic Silver Turbo since Oct 06. This replaced a Cobalt 997S. Both cars Tiptronic and the Turbo 'box is definately more intuative but does occasionaly hold gears when you'd like it to change up. Easy fix though - just thumb the + button.
Agreed the manual version is different again - i kept on hitting the rev limiter as i was concentracting too hard on keeping the car on the black stuff! The clutch is ever so light - takes a bit of getting used to for sure.
When it sport mode the box blips and changes down as you brake hard - clever stuff.
Insurance for mid 40 year old - clean license, garaged (has to be inside when at home between 10PM & 6AM!!!) Cheshire £1200 inc track days - A Manning & Co
G
Agreed the manual version is different again - i kept on hitting the rev limiter as i was concentracting too hard on keeping the car on the black stuff! The clutch is ever so light - takes a bit of getting used to for sure.
When it sport mode the box blips and changes down as you brake hard - clever stuff.
Insurance for mid 40 year old - clean license, garaged (has to be inside when at home between 10PM & 6AM!!!) Cheshire £1200 inc track days - A Manning & Co
G
Edited by GPM3D on Monday 23 July 20:10
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