Latest Generation of PCCB on 997 GT3/ RS
Discussion
Hi Guys,
I know there already have been a number of discussions on the above topic most of which I read. But I am interested to hear users views from more recent experiences with the PCCB breaks as I need to give the final spec to my dealer by this Thursday. At the moment I think steel brakes are the way to go especially for track use. A friend of mine has done 10K KM with his steel discs and 1 set of pads on his GT3 and has about 25% left - he was on the Ring a couple of times, Spa etc.
Many thanks.
Alex
I know there already have been a number of discussions on the above topic most of which I read. But I am interested to hear users views from more recent experiences with the PCCB breaks as I need to give the final spec to my dealer by this Thursday. At the moment I think steel brakes are the way to go especially for track use. A friend of mine has done 10K KM with his steel discs and 1 set of pads on his GT3 and has about 25% left - he was on the Ring a couple of times, Spa etc.
Many thanks.
Alex
Edited by turbomania on Tuesday 7th August 13:30
We have only put 1000kms on the RS since saturday (would have done more)
We have PCCBs, and i have to say on the road they are much better than the steels on the r turbo (the 350mm 6 pistons from the mk2 GT3). Retardation rate is truly inspiring.
I am waiting with baited breath as to how they perform on track- I think they will be great..... Glenn has done many many trakdays with his PCCBs and had no problems. But if your unsure, go for steels
We have PCCBs, and i have to say on the road they are much better than the steels on the r turbo (the 350mm 6 pistons from the mk2 GT3). Retardation rate is truly inspiring.
I am waiting with baited breath as to how they perform on track- I think they will be great..... Glenn has done many many trakdays with his PCCBs and had no problems. But if your unsure, go for steels
Wish I had the choice!
I have a theory that some of the previous failures are not necesarily a manufacture defect. PCCB might be a victim of there own success. I.e. steels when used hard will start to fade at some point, ergo the driver if sensible will back off and let them recover. However with PCCB's (i've not had the pleasure yet!) I'm told they are far more resistant to fade - does this then mean they get far more abuse possibly and therefore this causes more damage to them? - what do poeple think?
I have a theory that some of the previous failures are not necesarily a manufacture defect. PCCB might be a victim of there own success. I.e. steels when used hard will start to fade at some point, ergo the driver if sensible will back off and let them recover. However with PCCB's (i've not had the pleasure yet!) I'm told they are far more resistant to fade - does this then mean they get far more abuse possibly and therefore this causes more damage to them? - what do poeple think?
I think the latest pccbs are brilliant, in every respect. Mine is used mainly on road, as I have a track car, and I can't fault them.
If I was using a GT3 extensively on track then I might still spec pccbs and then, depending how long they last, might replace them with steel discs.
But, I'd be interested to find out exactly how they are performing in the Supercup (facts not hearsay) as I was told the lifespan now makes them cost effective for racing.
If I was using a GT3 extensively on track then I might still spec pccbs and then, depending how long they last, might replace them with steel discs.
But, I'd be interested to find out exactly how they are performing in the Supercup (facts not hearsay) as I was told the lifespan now makes them cost effective for racing.
An acquaintance has suffered rear disk failure on his pccb 997rs (997gt3 has strong bias to rear braking) rear pads wore more aggressively than fronts and over heated and damaged disks - Porsche called it driver abuse on a <10k mile car. Car now runs rear steels.
Porsche make an average of 10k per car, more than likely significantly more on the specialist stuff.(Porsche buys VW ....weird)
How can one (incl Chris Harris)even try to justify paying an additional 5800 hard earned pounds for pccb when the car comes with quality steel Brembo product anyway, its not like they are make shift like a spacesaver, the steels are more than sufficient."I would have one clubsport and pccb"says Harris thats why he has a cayman 2.7 on steels....and looooves it.
Go for steels and then upgrade to Alcons or even fancy aftermarket ceramics when they become available, Porsche are being nothing but greedy with their pccb pricing and are merely cutting their teeth on the technology at the expense of the customers, hence 3rd generation. Imagine, even though it is highly unlikely that they do fail - 9 times out of 10 Service will say driver abuse 5k please and thats if its just 2.
For the record the pccb are truly sublime and do enhance the experience, but (I) could not justify paying CURRENT cost, and along with the inconsistent nature of Porsche Service unfortunately they are a risk.
Porsche make an average of 10k per car, more than likely significantly more on the specialist stuff.(Porsche buys VW ....weird)
How can one (incl Chris Harris)even try to justify paying an additional 5800 hard earned pounds for pccb when the car comes with quality steel Brembo product anyway, its not like they are make shift like a spacesaver, the steels are more than sufficient."I would have one clubsport and pccb"says Harris thats why he has a cayman 2.7 on steels....and looooves it.
Go for steels and then upgrade to Alcons or even fancy aftermarket ceramics when they become available, Porsche are being nothing but greedy with their pccb pricing and are merely cutting their teeth on the technology at the expense of the customers, hence 3rd generation. Imagine, even though it is highly unlikely that they do fail - 9 times out of 10 Service will say driver abuse 5k please and thats if its just 2.
For the record the pccb are truly sublime and do enhance the experience, but (I) could not justify paying CURRENT cost, and along with the inconsistent nature of Porsche Service unfortunately they are a risk.
Edited by Jammmy on Tuesday 7th August 21:34
AdamT said:
We have only put 1000kms on the RS since saturday (would have done more)
We have PCCBs, and i have to say on the road they are much better than the steels on the r turbo (the 350mm 6 pistons from the mk2 GT3). Retardation rate is truly inspiring.
I am waiting with baited breath as to how they perform on track- I think they will be great..... Glenn has done many many trakdays with his PCCBs and had no problems. But if your unsure, go for steels
Truth is Glenn is on his 2nd set the 1st set of PCCB's fell apart? the screws that secure the ceramic disc to the aluminuim bell came loose on track !!!, Porsche replaced all 4 PCCB's & fitted new pads no mention of driver abuse.We have PCCBs, and i have to say on the road they are much better than the steels on the r turbo (the 350mm 6 pistons from the mk2 GT3). Retardation rate is truly inspiring.
I am waiting with baited breath as to how they perform on track- I think they will be great..... Glenn has done many many trakdays with his PCCBs and had no problems. But if your unsure, go for steels
gizard said:
Wish I had the choice!
I have a theory that some of the previous failures are not necesarily a manufacture defect. PCCB might be a victim of there own success. I.e. steels when used hard will start to fade at some point, ergo the driver if sensible will back off and let them recover. However with PCCB's (i've not had the pleasure yet!) I'm told they are far more resistant to fade - does this then mean they get far more abuse possibly and therefore this causes more damage to them? - what do poeple think?
Sorry Gizard theory wrong. The steels won't fade, the pccb's just are not up to the job.I have a theory that some of the previous failures are not necesarily a manufacture defect. PCCB might be a victim of there own success. I.e. steels when used hard will start to fade at some point, ergo the driver if sensible will back off and let them recover. However with PCCB's (i've not had the pleasure yet!) I'm told they are far more resistant to fade - does this then mean they get far more abuse possibly and therefore this causes more damage to them? - what do poeple think?
Go steels most definately. Ask the chaps with the Carrera GT's as to why they are fitting steel disc conversions.
Thanks for the various comments. I still have another 24 hours to think about this. Taking the whole cost of this car into consideration what are another 5% for PCCBs? Quite a lot actually - but you only live once and I think I prefer to end up regretting having put the PCCBs as having the steels and not knowing what it would have been like...
Graeme - I thought the GTs you are referring to came with the previous generation PCCBs not the current ones that come with the 997 GT3 RS - ie. 380 mm discs -
Graeme - I thought the GTs you are referring to came with the previous generation PCCBs not the current ones that come with the 997 GT3 RS - ie. 380 mm discs -
turbomania said:
Thanks for the various comments. I still have another 24 hours to think about this. Taking the whole cost of this car into consideration what are another 5% for PCCBs? Quite a lot actually - but you only live once and I think I prefer to end up regretting having put the PCCBs as having the steels and not knowing what it would have been like...
Graeme - I thought the GTs you are referring to came with the previous generation PCCBs not the current ones that come with the 997 GT3 RS - ie. 380 mm discs -
Regardless of my comments earlier - which I stand by. If you can afford the potential replacements, YOU must do what makes YOU happy at this time, its YOUR money...... EnjoyGraeme - I thought the GTs you are referring to came with the previous generation PCCBs not the current ones that come with the 997 GT3 RS - ie. 380 mm discs -
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