GT3 Mk1 - should I buy it?
GT3 Mk1 - should I buy it?
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gttastic

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120 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Hello everybody, this is my first post. I am currently looking to buy a 996 GT3 and I have seen one that I like. I have offered the full asking price subject to the car being in a fit condition for me to purchase an OPC warranty. I have paid for an 111 point inspection which has cost me £150+VAT. The inspection itself seemed to be pretty comprehensive as it listed all sorts of snags, most of which are wear and tear related. The snags range from the insignificant (light marks on driver's sill panel, tyre sealant out of date, cigar lighter not working) to the not so insignificant (front discs heavily corroded, rear discs corroded & holes blocked up with brake dust, all wheels scuffed & signs of corrosion on 2 of them).

However, there are 2 issues that Porsche want rectifying before a warranty can be purchased on it, and these to my mind could be worrying given the cost of GT3 engines. Both these issues are oil leak related. There are 2 reported leaks, the first leak is "from the front of the engine" and the second leak is "at bank 1 cylinder 3". Now I'm no mechanic so I don't know what this means, but the OPC is insistent that they take the engine out for further investigation. I tried my best to get them to offer some advice but they don't want to play the speculation game and just want to take the engine out. I could'nt even assess whether the leaks are significant or virtually non-existent.

The dealer who is selling the car is selling it on behalf of a client and it looks unlikely at this stage that the client wants to foot the bill for the engine to be taken out. The other snags are a bit more black and white in that the cost of fixing them is a known amount, but the engine?

So, my question is this. Has anybody else had similar problems with oil leaks from the engine like these? Did it cost a lot to put right? Is it a common problem on this car? Is it serious? Should I stay or walk (or run)?

The car itself has 20K on the clock with FPSH. It has a Rev 1 reading of 1,614 but no recorded Rev 2 readings.

Slippydiff

16,483 posts

254 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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The Porsche 111 point inspection isn't worth the paper it's written on quite frankly, I'd be taking the car to one of the specialist indies, Fearnsport or Parr spring to mind (depending on your location obviously)

PM me if you want further info on this subject................

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 29th August 20:52

964RS

1,357 posts

278 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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My brain is saying if owner is not prepared to contribute then walk away....brakes and wheels alone are going to be fat side of £1500 to sort.

OPC's....they're so helpful aren't they rolleyes

rubystone

11,254 posts

290 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Not that this has any bearing on the car, but is it blue?

Personally...if I'd paid for the inspection and this had come up, I'd want the vendor to contribute to the cost of the eigne removal...or at least to agree to rectify the fault if I agreed to pay for the engine to come out. There seems to be no shortage of good Mk 1s about and it is a buyer's market.

Slippydiff

16,483 posts

254 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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rubystone said:
Not that this has any bearing on the car, but is it blue?

Personally...if I'd paid for the inspection and this had come up, I'd want the vendor to contribute to the cost of the eigne removal...or at least to agree to rectify the fault if I agreed to pay for the engine to come out. There seems to be no shortage of good Mk 1s about and it is a buyer's market.
Not as many as you might think wink

gridgway

1,001 posts

276 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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When I used Fearnsport Andy to look at a couple of mk1's, I think I learn't that engine oil leaks were a "bad thing".

The problem is that if you are set on the OPC warranty (which is obviously a matter of personal choice) you are stuck. The cost of getting it (involving an engine out and almost rectification work) will be to much for the seller to bear. Even if you get an Indy to give you advice, it wont get you an OPC warranty.

Choices:
1 compromise on requirement for OPC warranty and try to get comfort that the car is ok elsewhere (Indy). But you really don't want oil leaks. So the cost of the engine fixes and the brake fixes will prevent the purchase (unless you are willing to effectively pay more or the seller is willing to stick to their agreement of price adjustment).
2 walk away

Graham

gridgway

1,001 posts

276 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Slippydiff said:
rubystone said:
Not that this has any bearing on the car, but is it blue?

Personally...if I'd paid for the inspection and this had come up, I'd want the vendor to contribute to the cost of the eigne removal...or at least to agree to rectify the fault if I agreed to pay for the engine to come out. There seems to be no shortage of good Mk 1s about and it is a buyer's market.
Not as many as you might think wink
Well if anyone can point me at a good one at a sensible price, I'll go for it. It'll save me going for a MkII and then working out that once you are past 50k, you might as well go the whole hog and get an RS!

Graham

Slippydiff

16,483 posts

254 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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gridgway said:
When I used Fearnsport Andy to look at a couple of mk1's, I think I learn't that engine oil leaks were a "bad thing".

The problem is that if you are set on the OPC warranty (which is obviously a matter of personal choice) you are stuck. The cost of getting it (involving an engine out and almost rectification work) will be to much for the seller to bear. Even if you get an Indy to give you advice, it wont get you an OPC warranty.

Choices:
1 compromise on requirement for OPC warranty and try to get comfort that the car is ok elsewhere (Indy). But you really don't want oil leaks. So the cost of the engine fixes and the brake fixes will prevent the purchase (unless you are willing to effectively pay more or the seller is willing to stick to their agreement of price adjustment).

2 walk away

Graham
yes always listen to your Uncle Andy wink (and if it makes you feel any better, you're not the only one faced with this predicament at the moment.......)

7357

2,648 posts

239 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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I would walk away..
I had 3 MK1's PPI'd before I bought my one..
All only failed on things like Diff, Clutch, and panel changes..
NONE OF THEM HAD ANY ENGINE PROBLEMS ! one @38k one @25k and the one I bought @15k.


These are very good engines, and are built to last ! Give Steve at JZM or Andy at Fearnsport a call, they will be able to shed more light on this matter.




gttastic

Original Poster:

120 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Not that this has any bearing on the car, but is it blue?

It is blue, rubystone. In fact it's this one...

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/2589/porsche.htm 

Edited by gttastic on Thursday 30th August 08:54

runner911

627 posts

274 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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With the faults described, I would suggest that the car has not exactly been looked after.

My advice ? Walk away.

7357

2,648 posts

239 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Yea.. walk..
Good and rare colour ! But the Engine is the main part of the car !

gridgway

1,001 posts

276 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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saves me the bother of trying to buy it!
Graham

7357

2,648 posts

239 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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I was looking to buy this one, but it was sold before I had chance to go look at it.. Now back on the market !

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARS_popup.js...

It was up for £48,995 when I was going to view it 8 months ago !!

G T 3

2,142 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Shoes on,use them.I looked at 13 GT3s to get a really good one,I hate waiting but I did,also saved £9k over my initial must have one NOW desire.

7357 did u get one?

Edited by G T 3 on Wednesday 29th August 22:43

gttastic

Original Poster:

120 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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7357 said:
I'm after a Comfort version so that only leaves the yellow one. I will be using it as a daily driver with little prospect at the moment to use it on a track. The decision in the end came down to a choice between the 996 TT and a 996 GT3. I have driven examples of both, although it has been the GT3 Mk2 that I have tested so I would welcome any advice as to what differences there are between a mk1 GT3 and a mk2 GT3 on typical British roads. The reason why I prefer the drive of a GT3 is that you don't have to go crazy speeds to enjoy yourself. Also, very good though the TT is, and it probably is the most practical choice as a road car, it just did not feel special in the same way as a GT3 does. The TT seems to do a lot of the work for you and does not feel as involving as the GT3 and the TT engine lacks the vibrancy of the GT3 aswell. Throw in the rarity factor and it makes the GT3 hard to resist.

I am now wondering if it makes sense to spend a little more on a mk2 and have the benefit, not to mention peace of mind, of a longer OPC warranty.

gridgway

1,001 posts

276 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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7357 said:
Any of these any good...
http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/217706.htm possible, but a long trek from the south! Especially when taking an expert to help out.

http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/192681.htm milage to high for me...I'll be putting 12k miles on per year for the next 3 yrs.

http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/230390.htm ditto on miles

Graham


sleep envy

62,260 posts

280 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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gttastic said:
It is blue rubystone. In fact it's this one...

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/2589/porsche.htm 
sounds cheap - possibly for a reason...

ScottL

814 posts

261 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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On the first car - I would definitely walk away. GT3's are rare but not so rare that you can't find another one. That colour is Cobalt by the way.

The engines are normally totally bulletproof so one with oil leaks is a big warning sign - the OPC did you a favour by identifying these issues.

Both Mk I and Mk II are great cars. Both have their pro's and con's. The Mk II has more power, better brakes and stronger gearbox. The Mk I is a little less expensive and rarer with subtly different styling. There isn't a huge difference between the two in cost so why restrict yourself...especially as you're already arrowing the choice to comfort version.

There are cars coming up for sale all the time so if you don't see what you like right now - wait a few days and look again. Alternatively talk to dealers and owners. A lot of cars get sold without ever being advertised. The perfect car for you is out there somewhere.

Good luck and don't forget to post some picks here when you finally buy one. smile