1989 Carrera Turbo Ltd (330 b.h.p.) purchase advice
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Just after some advise from the Aircooled boys please..Even though I love my 997 2s and will be keeping it. I have come across the following car and need to make a fairly quick do I or dont I decission?
The car is
1989 Carrera 330 Turbo Ltd
It has had 3 previous owners
Full service History/all M.O.T.S. and all bills etc (ALTHOUGH NOT SEEN YET!)
Total miles guaranteed by the seller 27k
Asking price 32k
The car looks very very nice, could do with a good clean inside (LEATHER) but the leather and carpets/seat belts/drivers seat etc would all indicate the miles are genuine.
The fuchs wheels are very nice and as they should be.
The car has been looked after by OPC for the last ten years (with this owner) and I have been invited to contact them by the seller to confirm this. It is going through a dealer and he will offer the standard 3 months with the car.
On the face of it a nice car. Could anyone help with prices/what to look out for. The dealer reckons that only maybe 20 or so of this model are in the U.K. I have seen the plaque near the gear knob and it states LIMITED 1975-89 oN A gOLD PLAQUE. The car sounded really sweet when he fired it up and reckons the owner (a surgeon) is very fussy about things.
I guess the obvoius thing to do is get an expert to view it?? Any help and advise would be good if anyone has or knows anything about this particular model type. Thanks..Oh dear I feel another bit of Pork coming on!! HELP!
The car is
1989 Carrera 330 Turbo Ltd
It has had 3 previous owners
Full service History/all M.O.T.S. and all bills etc (ALTHOUGH NOT SEEN YET!)
Total miles guaranteed by the seller 27k
Asking price 32k
The car looks very very nice, could do with a good clean inside (LEATHER) but the leather and carpets/seat belts/drivers seat etc would all indicate the miles are genuine.
The fuchs wheels are very nice and as they should be.
The car has been looked after by OPC for the last ten years (with this owner) and I have been invited to contact them by the seller to confirm this. It is going through a dealer and he will offer the standard 3 months with the car.
On the face of it a nice car. Could anyone help with prices/what to look out for. The dealer reckons that only maybe 20 or so of this model are in the U.K. I have seen the plaque near the gear knob and it states LIMITED 1975-89 oN A gOLD PLAQUE. The car sounded really sweet when he fired it up and reckons the owner (a surgeon) is very fussy about things.
I guess the obvoius thing to do is get an expert to view it?? Any help and advise would be good if anyone has or knows anything about this particular model type. Thanks..Oh dear I feel another bit of Pork coming on!! HELP!
I thought there were 50 made,...this confirms it;
http://www.porscheclubgb.com/uploads/registers/53/...
I wouldn't be over fussed about full opc service on one of these cars, personally prefer to get it along to someone I knew or decent older Pork specialist for a once over.
You would struggle to spend much more than £25k on a regular '89 Turbo....sure this is worth more, but would expect a little room on the asking price.
have you driven it?.....how did you find the
lag before the power came in?
Great fun as a special occasions Porsche hich shouldn't lose money if you buy it right..best of luck
http://www.porscheclubgb.com/uploads/registers/53/...
I wouldn't be over fussed about full opc service on one of these cars, personally prefer to get it along to someone I knew or decent older Pork specialist for a once over.
You would struggle to spend much more than £25k on a regular '89 Turbo....sure this is worth more, but would expect a little room on the asking price.
have you driven it?.....how did you find the
lag before the power came in?
Great fun as a special occasions Porsche hich shouldn't lose money if you buy it right..best of luck
9hellheaven said:
Just after some advise from the Aircooled boys please..Even though I love my 997 2s and will be keeping it. I have come across the following car and need to make a fairly quick do I or dont I decission?
The car is
1989 Carrera 330 Turbo Ltd
It has had 3 previous owners
Full service History/all M.O.T.S. and all bills etc (ALTHOUGH NOT SEEN YET!)
Total miles guaranteed by the seller 27k
Asking price 32k
The car looks very very nice, could do with a good clean inside (LEATHER) but the leather and carpets/seat belts/drivers seat etc would all indicate the miles are genuine.
The fuchs wheels are very nice and as they should be.
The car has been looked after by OPC for the last ten years (with this owner) and I have been invited to contact them by the seller to confirm this. It is going through a dealer and he will offer the standard 3 months with the car.
On the face of it a nice car. Could anyone help with prices/what to look out for. The dealer reckons that only maybe 20 or so of this model are in the U.K. I have seen the plaque near the gear knob and it states LIMITED 1975-89 oN A gOLD PLAQUE. The car sounded really sweet when he fired it up and reckons the owner (a surgeon) is very fussy about things.
I guess the obvoius thing to do is get an expert to view it?? Any help and advise would be good if anyone has or knows anything about this particular model type. Thanks..Oh dear I feel another bit of Pork coming on!! HELP!
1989 Carrera 330 Turbo Ltd?The car is
1989 Carrera 330 Turbo Ltd
It has had 3 previous owners
Full service History/all M.O.T.S. and all bills etc (ALTHOUGH NOT SEEN YET!)
Total miles guaranteed by the seller 27k
Asking price 32k
The car looks very very nice, could do with a good clean inside (LEATHER) but the leather and carpets/seat belts/drivers seat etc would all indicate the miles are genuine.
The fuchs wheels are very nice and as they should be.
The car has been looked after by OPC for the last ten years (with this owner) and I have been invited to contact them by the seller to confirm this. It is going through a dealer and he will offer the standard 3 months with the car.
On the face of it a nice car. Could anyone help with prices/what to look out for. The dealer reckons that only maybe 20 or so of this model are in the U.K. I have seen the plaque near the gear knob and it states LIMITED 1975-89 oN A gOLD PLAQUE. The car sounded really sweet when he fired it up and reckons the owner (a surgeon) is very fussy about things.
I guess the obvoius thing to do is get an expert to view it?? Any help and advise would be good if anyone has or knows anything about this particular model type. Thanks..Oh dear I feel another bit of Pork coming on!! HELP!
Maybe an LE - with extra cooling ducts behind the doors and the front wings look like a regular turbo (i.e. not slantnose).
Depends how much of a collector you are, sounds a bit steep when you can get a decent '89 turbo for less (if you can find one).
Check insurance if it is rare, you do not want any nasty surprises..
The usual things to check with a turbo (apart from the usual car stuff) is the CIS injection - it should start cold, warmish and warm (even after leaving it for 1/2 hour to sit), and torque at all powers should be solid from 3k on, under boost.
Have a good look yourself for originality and signs of being cared for. Everything should work (possible exception 911 a/c) and work well.
You will need to spend 1-3k per annum looking after it, so include that in the budget..
Sounds like a Turbo LE. These were produced in 1989 at the end of 911 Turbo (930) production. The engine produced 330 bhp as opposed to 300 bhp for the regular turbo.
Apart from the more powerful engine, I think they also differed from the regular 930 turbo in that they have slatted air scoops ahead of the rear wheels to aid brake cooling and a different exhaust. I think they came with a gold coloured gear knob.
Very rare, I think are only around 50 UK cars. Quite a bit more expensive than the regular Turbo. Don't often see them up for less than 30K and I saw a eceptionally low milage example at a dealer in the north recently for 45K.
I'm sure the Turbo experts on this forum will be along soon with more detailed info.
Geoff
Apart from the more powerful engine, I think they also differed from the regular 930 turbo in that they have slatted air scoops ahead of the rear wheels to aid brake cooling and a different exhaust. I think they came with a gold coloured gear knob.
Very rare, I think are only around 50 UK cars. Quite a bit more expensive than the regular Turbo. Don't often see them up for less than 30K and I saw a eceptionally low milage example at a dealer in the north recently for 45K.
I'm sure the Turbo experts on this forum will be along soon with more detailed info.
Geoff
Globulater, the LE had the regular front wings with deep spoiler, the slant nose was the Turbo SE (sport equipment)
http://www.porscheclubgb.com/uploads/registers/53/...
http://www.porscheclubgb.com/uploads/registers/53/...
No its not the slant nose.. I am going back to see the guy Tmrw and if its dry go out for a drive in it. I really know sweet fanny adams about older 911s and know zero about Turbos. Its just a good feeling about it and it does look very very tasty in Black I must say!He said he would stick it on the ramp so I can take a look underneath..but what am I looking for??
I am just concerned it may get snapped up if i dilly dally, the guy said he has no problem what so ever with anyone looking at the car, he describes it as original, unmolested with a guaranteed miles of just under 27k..Thats low I would guess. The owner has several cars and uses them all so I guess it would make sence.I am not looking to make dosh on the car, just to enjoy and I suppose not pay over the odds in the first place. But what are the pitfalls?? This would be a third car so its only going to do maybe 4-6 k per year if that.
Well if people can keep throwing opinions/thoughts I would be really greatfull..I may take the plunge Tmrw Subject to a full check over. I live in the Norh West so maybe ninemeister or someone local would look at it? Hartech maybe.
Anyway thanks for your help so far guys..Why am I doing this I ve got a perfect 997 in the garage..sod it ilfe is a one off so why not!
I am just concerned it may get snapped up if i dilly dally, the guy said he has no problem what so ever with anyone looking at the car, he describes it as original, unmolested with a guaranteed miles of just under 27k..Thats low I would guess. The owner has several cars and uses them all so I guess it would make sence.I am not looking to make dosh on the car, just to enjoy and I suppose not pay over the odds in the first place. But what are the pitfalls?? This would be a third car so its only going to do maybe 4-6 k per year if that.
Well if people can keep throwing opinions/thoughts I would be really greatfull..I may take the plunge Tmrw Subject to a full check over. I live in the Norh West so maybe ninemeister or someone local would look at it? Hartech maybe.
Anyway thanks for your help so far guys..Why am I doing this I ve got a perfect 997 in the garage..sod it ilfe is a one off so why not!
First thing, if you are keen is to check it is an LE using the PCGB link I posted above,,,look under front luggage lid for sticker and service book to check options tally up, that it is an LE rather than a modded 930.
If you get it on ramps, look for any oil leaks from engine,transmission and rusting of exhausts or heat exchangers...all will cost money to put right.
You should learn a lot on a brief journey, smooth clutch, ease of selecting gear, smooth power delivery with no real jerks,,,,can you live without pas???
If still keen get it along to a specialist to confirm it is worth proceeding with. A couple of hundred £ now on an inspection could save you a fortune if you need to spend serious money on clutch, transmission or engine...a specialist can check for boost leaks which can lead to early turbo demise.
I wouldn't get too worked up about it just selling before you snap it up, take your time to get it checked out, there always seem to be a couple of LE's for sale in the UK, they do seem to take a while to sell....I think this is mainly down to the running costs and the fact that they are fairly difficult to drive well making them a bit of an acquired taste.
If you get it on ramps, look for any oil leaks from engine,transmission and rusting of exhausts or heat exchangers...all will cost money to put right.
You should learn a lot on a brief journey, smooth clutch, ease of selecting gear, smooth power delivery with no real jerks,,,,can you live without pas???
If still keen get it along to a specialist to confirm it is worth proceeding with. A couple of hundred £ now on an inspection could save you a fortune if you need to spend serious money on clutch, transmission or engine...a specialist can check for boost leaks which can lead to early turbo demise.
I wouldn't get too worked up about it just selling before you snap it up, take your time to get it checked out, there always seem to be a couple of LE's for sale in the UK, they do seem to take a while to sell....I think this is mainly down to the running costs and the fact that they are fairly difficult to drive well making them a bit of an acquired taste.
So if I can get it checked out and short of say 1k for anything is the car worth 32k with this milage/3 owners?..
I notice the disc had a fair old lip on them, maybe still servicable but may need changinging at some point.
To be honest this is why I bought my 997 new, at least you know what your getting. Would I need to service it yearly or per milage intervals.
Like I said earlier thanks everyone for any help advise..I tend to be impulsive, but maybe I need to carecare with this one. I assume the engines/gearboxs and pretty solid given no major leaks and clonks etc.. I can live without power steering for sure although not sure how the clutch should feel..deifferent to my 997 I guess. Thanks again..Hope someone comes along whos got one..Oh and on the subject of the under bonnet sticker it is their I looked straight away so I will check the options Etc. Thanks..
I notice the disc had a fair old lip on them, maybe still servicable but may need changinging at some point.
To be honest this is why I bought my 997 new, at least you know what your getting. Would I need to service it yearly or per milage intervals.
Like I said earlier thanks everyone for any help advise..I tend to be impulsive, but maybe I need to carecare with this one. I assume the engines/gearboxs and pretty solid given no major leaks and clonks etc.. I can live without power steering for sure although not sure how the clutch should feel..deifferent to my 997 I guess. Thanks again..Hope someone comes along whos got one..Oh and on the subject of the under bonnet sticker it is their I looked straight away so I will check the options Etc. Thanks..
9hellheaven said:
I assume the engines/gearboxs and pretty solid given no major leaks and clonks etc.. I can live without power steering for sure although not sure how the clutch should feel..deifferent to my 997 I guess.
The steering on a regular 930 is not particularly heavy as it was never designed to be PAS, you need to keep a manly grip on it when parking however.The turbo lag makes them fascinating to drive as you always need to be thinking a little ahead, and stringing a good gear change with boost is always a satisfying craft, particularly given the weight and sheer torque from the engine.
The brake pads clonk slightly when changing from forward to reverse, there shouldn't be to much slack in the drivetrain. The G50 box should behave like a regular gearbox, only the earlier ones need re-synchroing every 50k miles or so.
Engines are fairly solid, check for even torque and easy revs. Clutch should feel fine and be nice and progressive. Remember the fuel system is CIS (simplish, reliable, expensive parts), so make sure you think it is behaving properly.
Underneath: Look for a splendid new car factory look. check front wishbones for example of rust level, and the rear heater control boxes between the forward part of the engine and the bodywork (where the heating air goes for heating the car interior. Check the heat appears in spades and then switches off again when on the drive as you request it (centre knob betweek the seats), lower red dashboard control to the left, heat should appear at feet and side dash vents.
None of these cars are dry but it should not need a drip tray. Look under front boot carpet for any crash repair, if there is any check pricing and repair standards.
No switch is where you really expect it, find the mirror selector switch and the sunroof switch _before_ you try on the road.
Cheers globulator..I hope to go out in it tmrw pm so will report back. I am use to dare I say older type cars with my 1966 mk 2 Jag, That has a moss box with syc only on first gear so thats ok. I am just not sure how the car should feel..clutch pressure etc. I will get out and see how I go, any deal will be subject to a inspection anyway to be safe. Thanks any more advise is alway welcome..I keep looking before I go tmrw.
Just dont want to get my fingers burnt..
Just dont want to get my fingers burnt..
RT said:
Ask this over on impactbumpers.com
Cheers
good call, someone on there picked up a dark green LE recently from cridfordsCheers
edit: you'll be paying a premium for the low miles - keep them low and you'll retain the value, otherwise i don't think it makes sense.
Edited by SP_CS on Saturday 1st September 21:38
SP_CS said:
you'll be paying a premium for the low miles - keep them low and you'll retain the value, otherwise i don't think it makes sense.
Your worst enemy is corrosion and perishing, both not aided by low mileage but aided by regular servicing.Personally I'd ignore mileage on a 20 year(ish) old car and discount any price premium as I do not think low mileage is always a good thing with the 930.
registered on impact bumpers but cant bloody login, think you have to wait for the nice man to pust the button. Anyway..appreciate your comments re the milage, I was more thinking that low miles would leave planty to add on to the tacho! I could be called a bit daft, but first and formost I would want to use the car, maybe 3-6 k per year, maybe less. I just want to be at ease with a) is 32k for a three owner/26k miles car with full history a fair price? assuming that after inspection its in good order. b) what are the pitfalls and pleasures of the car. I love the look and will have a better idea tmrw after the test drive.
9hellheaven said:
registered on impact bumpers but cant bloody login, think you have to wait for the nice man to pust the button. Anyway..appreciate your comments re the milage, I was more thinking that low miles would leave planty to add on to the tacho! I could be called a bit daft, but first and formost I would want to use the car, maybe 3-6 k per year, maybe less. I just want to be at ease with a) is 32k for a three owner/26k miles car with full history a fair price? assuming that after inspection its in good order. b) what are the pitfalls and pleasures of the car. I love the look and will have a better idea tmrw after the test drive.
one to compare http://strasse.co.uk/cars.asp?car_id=503Very old school 911. Beautiful bit of kit. Personally I would not hesitate in snapping her up with that mileage and for that money if it is a straight car. Peter Morgan would be your man to inspect. Never used but highly recommended. Reality not much boost below 4000rpm (so what) with the 5 speed box not a problem. Exceptional build quality. Decent tyres a necessity. Brakes tend to lock the fronts when pushed and are reluctant to re grip so soft sticky very worth while. Hope it all goes well. Enjoy, Graeme
graeme36s said:
Very old school 911. Beautiful bit of kit. Personally I would not hesitate in snapping her up with that mileage and for that money if it is a straight car. Peter Morgan would be your man to inspect. Never used but highly recommended. Reality not much boost below 4000rpm (so what) with the 5 speed box not a problem. Exceptional build quality. Decent tyres a necessity. Brakes tend to lock the fronts when pushed and are reluctant to re grip so soft sticky very worth while. Hope it all goes well. Enjoy, Graeme
Thanks Graeme36s..Ime off to Tatton Park for the Porsche event today in my 997. Can you give me any contact details for Peter Morgan? I am due to test drive the Turbo around 2pm if I like it and it feels ok I will get it looked at properly if the deal is right. Is this guy in the North West by chance? Thanks.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff