Advice sought on whether its worth mantheying a cat D GT3

[BrendonJ]

Howdy,

I have been researching GT3's in leiu of a hopeful end of year purchase. I would like to improve on the std car and have been looking at possible brake, suspension, engine tweaks. I have surmised from my learned friends on PH that Manthey seems to be one of the best and this is a route I am looking at.

I have recently been informed of a possible cheap Cat D GT3 coming up (circa £20k vs £40k for a normal one) but was wondering whether its worthwhile spending in the region of £10k on possible improvements (incl K400 engine upgrade) on a Cat D car. Will anyone want to touch this car when I want to sell it?

All advice appreciated.

[anonymous-user]

i'd be very suprised if you could squeeze engine, brake and suspension upgrades into a 10k budget at manthey...

[993rsr]

Be circa £14k for K400/KW/Alcons.

[timmo]

That might get you a car wash !

[thegoose]

Any well-repaired Cat D GT3 (even if not mint cosmetically) is worth easily more than £20k, in which case - where is it? If however, it's badly or unsafely repaired (which may explain the price) then leave well alone.

[baSkey]

i don't know the answer but i should have thought knowing whether it was a mk1 or mk2 car might be helpful (presumably a mk1).

has it been repaired or is it £20k for a damaged car?

is it rhd/lhd?

[SpeedFreakDave]

Would I buy a car from you after you had tracked it? Now there's a question! hahaha

How are you mate?

[BrendonJ]

To clarify:

- yep probably more likely £15k with manthey
- its been repaired and all in will cost me £20k trade for the cat d car
- dave, m3 engine is blown mate so Im finally forced into the gt3, still a while before i catch you in the gt2, email me re drinks

[anonymous-user]

that would be a f*&*ing serious bit of kit for 35k !!! at that price who cares if you could ever sell it (you could)

[thegoose]

If you'd like a profit on the £20k instead then PM me!

[G T 3]

£20k ,it must be shite

[_TC]

yeah, if you decide not to go for it then please let me know. its the sort of car i would hang on to and track day for ever.

[DanH]

fbrs said:

that would be a f*&*ing serious bit of kit for 35k !!! at that price who cares if you could ever sell it (you could)

A fully sorted Manthey'd Mk1 without CAT D recently sold for 40k.

Personally I'd want that car up on a jig to ensure the chassis isn't tweaked, and I'd think long and hard before going the Manthey root as its a lot of money on a cheap car. Also worth considering the Cargraphic tuning options as they do engine mods developed by RS tuning who seem to have a solid name. Not sure if its any cheaper, but Parr can give you prices.

[PolarExpress]

DanH said:

A fully sorted Manthey'd Mk1 without CAT D recently sold for 40k.

I was told by an interested buyer who had it PPI'd that it wasn't a "fully sorted" Manthey Mk1, that it was missing a few [important] bits, and needed work doing to it.

[AdamT]

The thing is, the car has been in a crash...why waste money on improving it if its never going to be 100%..

Get a proper Mk2 or Mk1 for the same money.

Or buy it and enjoy it for what it is...a 20k gt3

Edited by AdamT on Friday 28th September 12:45

[DanH]

PolarExpress said:

DanH said:

A fully sorted Manthey'd Mk1 without CAT D recently sold for 40k.

I was told by an interested buyer who had it PPI'd that it wasn't a "fully sorted" Manthey Mk1, that it was missing a few [important] bits, and needed work doing to it.

Are you saying Manthey parts were missing or the car just needed some TLC?

[anonymous-user]

why do you all think cat d means its utterly fecked? - its just metal, welded and bolted together - if its been properly repaired it can be 100% - infact no reason it cant be better than pre crash... cat d isnt even extensive damage, its just economic write off, which includes all associated costs like hire car for duration of repair etc... a *repaired* cat d isn't bent - if it is, it hasn't been repaired!

if it did work out 35k for a NEWLY converted manthey? nice way to run rings round the gt3rs boys...

[AdamT]

I seem to recall watching perhaps a fifth gear or some other car program showing the difference between a cat d and a normal renault megane (or some other run about)

The cat d had been repair'd properly, and looked good. They crashed both cars in identical ways, and the occupants in the cat d car would have been really badly hurt, whilst the undamaged car remained safe.

I think it was to do with the fact that there was metal fatigue in the cat d car and that compromised the effectiveness of the crash structures.

best,
adam

[Steve Rance]

BrendonJ said:

Howdy,

I have been researching GT3's in leiu of a hopeful end of year purchase. I would like to improve on the std car and have been looking at possible brake, suspension, engine tweaks. I have surmised from my learned friends on PH that Manthey seems to be one of the best and this is a route I am looking at.

I have recently been informed of a possible cheap Cat D GT3 coming up (circa £20k vs £40k for a normal one) but was wondering whether its worthwhile spending in the region of £10k on possible improvements (incl K400 engine upgrade) on a Cat D car. Will anyone want to touch this car when I want to sell it?

All advice appreciated.

I'd buy the cat D car, shed 100kgs out of it, which won't cost you anything, leave the engine as it is, fit some decent suspension - JRZ or Moton - and a shorter diff. Could do the lot for 5 - 6K and you'd have a very decent track car. The weight saving will make far more difference than the engine conversion.

Steve R

[PolarExpress]

DanH said:

Are you saying Manthey parts were missing or the car just needed some TLC?

both