Should Radicals Atoms etc, be sharing a Track Day?

[carreraboy]

Brands yesterday 27th September on Full GP was a complete display of bad manners, careless driving, no etiquette and dangerous manouvers by the usual crowd of wannabee Racing Drivers with a tube of glue, mid life crisis and a passion to try and rebuild the car as many times in a track day as possible. These machines are more akind to Bikes, some do have bike running gear and engines! The should be on a Bike track day.

I will add I have respect for all things on two and for wheels and respect the engineering, design and performance BUT each run with there own crowd.

[OllieW]

Take it you spun it again then... :-)

[Pickled Piper]

There is such a disparity in performance between these cars and "normal" vehicles, that there is a good case for having restricted trackdays.

I would hazard a guess that the drivers actually get most of their enjoyment by running rings round the other cars.

pp

[PetrolTed]

There were a few Radicals at Silverstone yesterday and we didn't have any problems despite their greater speed.

[Steve Rance]

They are very difficult to see and a bad driver can still be relatively quick in one without the ability to deal with the closing speeds. I've seen several accidents caused by poor drivers in Radicals.... I've also seen them caused by poor drivers in GT3's and GT2's.

Steve R

[gfreeman]

There was one guy in an old green Alfa, to be fair he was enjoying himself and took a little too long to notice you but doing no harm, and not going blindingly slow - just your average trackday punter. I came up behind him towards Paddock Hill Bend as a radical came flying up.

I moved over and I swear he just carried on boring down as if the Alfa wasn't there. At the last minute he unwound a tad to avoid contact, but you could see he was on the Alfas blind side right on his nearside rear - There was no way the Alfa could see him!

At the last second the Alfa spotted the tt - how I don't know as he was now mid corner hammering down towards the dip. How could I tell he noticed the Radical?

Due to the violent right swerve, and the barely controlled tank slapper as the Radical goes off to line up his next easy target. F*kin unecessary!

Did I report this incident? Nah!

Half the fun of a trackday is dissing the organisation/etiquette/facilities/cost/weather/lack of mirrors/etc etc the next day!

[andy74b]

carreraboy said:

Brands yesterday 27th September on Full GP was a complete display of bad manners, careless driving, no etiquette and dangerous manouvers by the usual crowd of wannabee Racing Drivers with a tube of glue, mid life crisis and a passion to try and rebuild the car as many times in a track day as possible. These machines are more akind to Bikes, some do have bike running gear and engines! The should be on a Bike track day.

I will add I have respect for all things on two and for wheels and respect the engineering, design and performance BUT each run with there own crowd.

I was there in my green Radical SR4 yesterday. The radicals are alot quick than most things out there but it all depends on who is driving them. Don't see any reason not to have then on track at the same time. No differnet the gap between a radical and a gt3 than a gt3 to a 924. The morning was a waste of time with more red flags than actual track time. Got to remember that the 2 big offs on the days were porsches...

[Agent Orange]

ok i was there , until the car broke and i have to say the briefing did nt help ..............major omissions ,plus there was overtaking all over the place especially in the earlier sessions, if u agree RHS only then do it ? ...............sorry guys but it was nt just the low cars or single seaters , frankly just a lack of much consideration , spinners and crashes all over the dry track seemed totally thoughtless and uneccessary................the black pork that spun in front of me was pushing his new car without a clue and admitted afterwards , despite apologising , that it was his first time out and a learning curve............he was overdriving and had he had REAL prob in a differnt spot would have totalled it .In Defence of the plack turbo driver he was over taken on the wrong side at clearways and when the guy inside him realised he could nt get round just pushed him out .........Andy they were both Porsches, sorry Mate .................it was a day where a word or two of admonishment early on might have kept the sessions running ............

[benyeats]

Seems to me that on some trackdays you get more than your share of w*nkers be they in Atoms, Porsches or whatever. Down to the drivers not the cars.

Ben

[Pugsey]

One of the problems with a Radical is that - unless it's the V8 version - many of the more powerfull Porsches are actually FASTER under acceleration and top speed. The Rads make all their time up - a lot! - on the brakes and through corners. This can lead to frustration as the Rad. is held up then struggles to get by on the next staight by someone who's ego won't let them lift for a second to let a car that is much faster over a whole lap get past. I've never had much of a problem but then as Steve intimated it's only when you get a complete plonker in one or other car that problems arise.

[LuckyP]

Atoms are cool - until you press 'em going into corners and then......

http://www.pistonheads.tv/clip1352

He-he!!

[andy74b]

Vic- wasn't having a go at porsche drivers.As you know, I have spent more time tracking my 911 then any other car i have.

[Agent Orange]

Andy i did nt think u were.............but there were a couple of guys, apparently never been on GP circuit before, in ariels watever, sitting on the line ,in the corners,out in the country when as suggested all they needed to do was move over ,there are enough opportunites here.As the day went on they got quicker and i had no prob moving over them ............perhaps cos i am so old theres not the same ego trip left ? I felt more sympathy with the guy spinning who just was trying too hard too early ..........

[benyeats]

LuckyP said:

Atoms are cool - until you press 'em going into corners and then......

http://www.pistonheads.tv/clip1352

He-he!!

See the Atom courteously pulling out of the way about 3 mins in ? thats me that is.

Ben

[baSkey]

Agent Orange said:

In Defence of the plack turbo driver he was over taken on the wrong side at clearways and when the guy inside him realised he could nt get round just pushed him out ....

i don't like the sound of this!
in essence this is why i won't do a trackday until i have room to store a seperate car.. and then i'll get a car which i will be a lot less worried about someone else risking.. at least initially..!

____

this trackday sound s a bit fraught!

i have no experience at all but as someone else said the two types of car don't really go together awesome straight line and quick cornering and quick straight line and awesome cornering sound completely wrong for a non-competitive event...

at least if i were there in a a 944 or 355 (or my MCS) i'd be slower everywhere like the guy in the alfa so at least i could be passed and dropped...

[Jon Luik]

I was there and yes it was not the best of days, just too many cars and a few people just did not want to move over to let a faster car by. Had some good fun in the afternoon racing the 2 Atoms and blue radical. One atom had 240bhp and the other had over 300bhp. The Atoms are quick but unless the drivers are highly skilled a decent driver in a GT3RS could keep up.

[LuckyP]

benyeats said:

LuckyP said:

Atoms are cool - until you press 'em going into corners and then......

http://www.pistonheads.tv/clip1352

He-he!!

See the Atom courteously pulling out of the way about 3 mins in ? thats me that is.

Ben

Shhh...don't tell 'em you did that, I even edited out the bits where I got taken by your fellow AAs (and the odd Lotus)!

Brill day I thought.

That's the beauty of Track Days to me. All sorts of cars to mix it up a bit.

Laters

[Wetwipe]

yawn

how about a better nazi like idea

lets ban all cars on track days unless there is a porsche badge on the bonnet.

there. problem solved.

No more hassle cos porsche drivers are the best

[zanzibar]

Jon Luik said:

I was there and yes it was not the best of days, just too many cars and a few people just did not want to move over to let a faster car by. Had some good fun in the afternoon racing the 2 Atoms and blue radical. One atom had 240bhp and the other had over 300bhp. The Atoms are quick but unless the drivers are highly skilled a decent driver in a GT3RS could keep up.

Yes unless its a supercharged Atom its destroyed by a GT3, with a blower on they can hold there own upto 120 mph then its holding the GT3 up, mainly due to awful aero, cornering is only marginly better than a GT3: its not in the same league as a Radical SR3 on track.

[DanH]

carreraboy said:

Brands yesterday 27th September on Full GP was a complete display of bad manners, careless driving, no etiquette and dangerous manouvers by the usual crowd of wannabee Racing Drivers with a tube of glue, mid life crisis and a passion to try and rebuild the car as many times in a track day as possible. These machines are more akind to Bikes, some do have bike running gear and engines! The should be on a Bike track day.

I will add I have respect for all things on two and for wheels and respect the engineering, design and performance BUT each run with there own crowd.

I was on this day and went out in what I guess was your session at the end with an instructor. I nearly collided with a blue radical that neither I, nor the instructor I was with saw until it appeared in my peripheral vision parallel and to my left as I was moving left under braking into turn in position for Clearways exiting the GP loop. He was very lucky not to have been hit by a 1400 kg lump of 911 as frankly whilst I'm turning in under braking I'm not really watching my rear view mirrors too closely for a heroic radical driver outbraking me on a trackday.

If this was your session, it was a nightmare. There was also a lot of traffic that wouldn't let faster cars by.

The other 2 sessions were markedly better.