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I have lusted after one of these ever since I discovered they existed.
My 944 T is superbly balanced and with it's Promax kit it really is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I can only imagine what this must be like. I think they raced a couple of these out the box. Anyone know if any RHD's were ever made?
The 968 CS is still arguably one of the marques best handling, if not the best handling car. This factory Turbo S would be superb.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Don't miss the others cars in photograph 1.
My 944 T is superbly balanced and with it's Promax kit it really is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I can only imagine what this must be like. I think they raced a couple of these out the box. Anyone know if any RHD's were ever made?
The 968 CS is still arguably one of the marques best handling, if not the best handling car. This factory Turbo S would be superb.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Don't miss the others cars in photograph 1.
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 8th July 21:04
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
I have lusted after one of these ever since I discovered they existed
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I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Agreed ...
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
but this is a minority view
For better or worse, this is edging towards the 993 RS price range for someone who wants, and can afford a collectable
or for people who want a more modern car, with lower km and Porsche warranty
Agreed, you could probably make one happen for less than 50k. There is a supercharged 968 in the classifieds which must be epic.
http://www.powerhaus.com/968t.htm
On the same line of thought there is a black 944 with a bored out engine that must go like sh*t off a shovel.
However, I don't think a GT3 or RS is in the same ballpark as this piece of machinery (no offence!). These 968 Turbos are just too rare. To compare them with GT3 and RS is in my opinion apples and oranges! Perhaps a 3.6 965 (964 Turbo) is more of a close relative?
There is something about 944 Turbos and 968's of this ilk that really do it for me. The original and probably still the best wolf in sheep's clothing. Potent in the right hands (or even in my not so "right" hands!) even today.
I'd just love one!
http://www.powerhaus.com/968t.htm
On the same line of thought there is a black 944 with a bored out engine that must go like sh*t off a shovel.
However, I don't think a GT3 or RS is in the same ballpark as this piece of machinery (no offence!). These 968 Turbos are just too rare. To compare them with GT3 and RS is in my opinion apples and oranges! Perhaps a 3.6 965 (964 Turbo) is more of a close relative?
There is something about 944 Turbos and 968's of this ilk that really do it for me. The original and probably still the best wolf in sheep's clothing. Potent in the right hands (or even in my not so "right" hands!) even today.
I'd just love one!
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 8th July 23:43
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
I have lusted after one of these ever since I discovered they existed.
My 944 T is superbly balanced and with it's Promax kit it really is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I can only imagine what this must be like. I think they raced a couple of these out the box. Anyone know if any RHD's were ever made?
The 968 CS is still arguably one of the marques best handling, if not the best handling car. This factory Turbo S would be superb.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Don't miss the others cars in photograph 1.
I'm not sure I get the Turbo SMy 944 T is superbly balanced and with it's Promax kit it really is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I can only imagine what this must be like. I think they raced a couple of these out the box. Anyone know if any RHD's were ever made?
The 968 CS is still arguably one of the marques best handling, if not the best handling car. This factory Turbo S would be superb.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Don't miss the others cars in photograph 1.
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 8th July 21:04
leaving aside the rarity kudos value for a second:
only 60bhp more to make a car that is still not especially quick in straight line terms
it is overtyred and also blown
that goes against some of the reason why the CS is so good imo:
simple momentum driving, precisley measured NA power with a great throttle response, enough power to make it devastating across country but not so much that it detracts from the cars balance, tactility and feedback ...... and finally, relatively sensibly tyred so its easy to get the thing moving underneath you at modest corner speeds
its one of those rare cars where everything is just right and in a good harmony and as I am finding out this week, YOU CAN'T REALLY MOD IT
jackal said:
...and as I am finding out this week, YOU CAN'T REALLY MOD IT
You new boy...
There's lots of worthwhile mods. Unfortunately, a lot of those who've gone down that route were also the ones who ruffled the 969UK mods feathers, and got themselves kicked-off the forum.
See my profile for worthwhile 968 mods.
Back to this Turbo S though, for a 1 of 11 cars made, I think it's a bargain. Yes, you can turbocharge a 968 for less than £50k, but we all know that's not really the point. This is the pinnacle of 968 development (the 4 RS Turbo race cars aside), and so rare, I think it might be a very wise buy for someone able to wrap it in cotton wool and resist using it too much.
willdew said:
jackal said:
...and as I am finding out this week, YOU CAN'T REALLY MOD IT
You new boy...There's lots of worthwhile mods. Unfortunately, a lot of those who've gone down that route were also the ones who ruffled the 969UK mods feathers, and got themselves kicked-off the forum.
See my profile for worthwhile 968 mods.
the car is already lowered with a very fine ride/handling compromise
personally, I wouldn't want to stiffen it anymore for the road or change the damping or spring rates
big reds would be monstrous overkill on the road as well
I've actually seen this car a couple of times when I lived in Huddersfield, I didn't actually believe it was the genuine article.
Another of my all time favourite Porsches. I would snap it up in a heartbeat!
The 944/968 family to me have have always been good looking and fine handling cars. I know the Boxster/Caymen is sort of the modern equivalent, but I wonder if there is a market for a front engined rear/rear drive Porsche coupe these days? I would love to see that much more than the Cayennes and the up comming Panemera (sp?)that the marque have sullied (IMO) themselves with during the last few years.
Another of my all time favourite Porsches. I would snap it up in a heartbeat!
The 944/968 family to me have have always been good looking and fine handling cars. I know the Boxster/Caymen is sort of the modern equivalent, but I wonder if there is a market for a front engined rear/rear drive Porsche coupe these days? I would love to see that much more than the Cayennes and the up comming Panemera (sp?)that the marque have sullied (IMO) themselves with during the last few years.
jackal said:
willdew said:
jackal said:
...and as I am finding out this week, YOU CAN'T REALLY MOD IT
You new boy...There's lots of worthwhile mods. Unfortunately, a lot of those who've gone down that route were also the ones who ruffled the 969UK mods feathers, and got themselves kicked-off the forum.
See my profile for worthwhile 968 mods.
the car is already lowered with a very fine ride/handling compromise
personally, I wouldn't want to stiffen it anymore for the road or change the damping or spring rates
big reds would be monstrous overkill on the road as well
I do about 22k miles pa in it.
KW Variant 3 Coilover's is a very worthwhile mod, even only for road use.
jackal said:
willdew said:
KW Variant 3 Coilover's is a very worthwhile mod, even only for road use.
I bet kevin gave you earache when you said you wanted big reds for an only road car 
Kevin's not a fan of the KW suspension either, but I find it works very well for my usage or road and track use.
willdew said:
The car had them when I bought it. They are somewhat overkill for road use, but are a good bit better on the track. Their stopping power is awesome. Combine them with a decent pad (Pagid or Mintex are a good bet, although I'm on Carbopad at present, which is a pad developed by Ringracing, a Nurburgring based garage/race team), SRF or ATE Racing fluid and braided hoses, and not a lot will stop quicker than you're able to.
Kevin's not a fan of the KW suspension either, but I find it works very well for my usage or road and track use.
I am going to do pads/fluid/hoses..... the standard brakes/pads stop the car ok but on my example the feel is a bit mushy and I find that the only weak point of the car. Hopefully that will firm things up a bit and give me a little more feedback. But I have been told though that because the master cylinder is along way away from some other part (which I cant remember) the pedal feel is never going to be top notch.Kevin's not a fan of the KW suspension either, but I find it works very well for my usage or road and track use.
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Surely it's not worth half that!I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Deutscher said:
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/569029.htm
I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
Surely it's not worth half that!I'd love to own this! Definitely take one over a lot of other £50,000 cars I think.
They are 70 - 80k Euros on the continent, mainly Germany which is the main market for them. The mileage is a little high though relative to the price so it may be worth more like 40k.
Suspension has come along a bit since the 968t was made so I am sure you could improve on that. Also the 60hp more, well thats measured on a Porsche dyno measuring power on a sustained load, not just a quick blast up to full power. It also has a very responsive turbo and will feel a lot quicker than the power figures suggest. Dont forget the 369 lb/ft torque at 3100rpm. Try taking a 968 at say £12k and then building a turbo, properly (i.e. new pistons, rods and valves and all the necessary ancillaries) and then add up the bill, you wont be far off £30k and thats doing a lot of the work yourself, just buying the parts and paying for the engine build.
Suspension has come along a bit since the 968t was made so I am sure you could improve on that. Also the 60hp more, well thats measured on a Porsche dyno measuring power on a sustained load, not just a quick blast up to full power. It also has a very responsive turbo and will feel a lot quicker than the power figures suggest. Dont forget the 369 lb/ft torque at 3100rpm. Try taking a 968 at say £12k and then building a turbo, properly (i.e. new pistons, rods and valves and all the necessary ancillaries) and then add up the bill, you wont be far off £30k and thats doing a lot of the work yourself, just buying the parts and paying for the engine build.
Deutscher said:
Is there evidence a similar car has made anything like that sort of money?
It doesn't matter how few were made if the demand from wealthy individuals isn't there.
I don't know of any sale values of any Turbo S's, as I've not been aware of any on the market in the last couple of years. There's a 968 Turbo RS for sale at present though (1 of 4 made) asking €159,000. http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html...It doesn't matter how few were made if the demand from wealthy individuals isn't there.
You're of course correct in your statement that what they're worth is dependent on the demand. I think we all take that as a given.
nick_968 said:
Try taking a 968 at say £12k and then building a turbo, properly (i.e. new pistons, rods and valves and all the necessary ancillaries) and then add up the bill, you wont be far off £30k and thats doing a lot of the work yourself, just buying the parts and paying for the engine build.
No thanks - I know a chap who did it and it doesn't sound like it's a project for me.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff