Tuned 964 rs cs or 993 RSR?
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I have a 964 rs clubsport that I use solely for track. I am looking to up the power to around 380 to 400bhp, which will cost somewhere between 15k and 20k. My car is probably worth around 34k (with a following wind) although I only paid 28k 
, giving a total spend of around 48k!
The alternative - Sell the 964 and buy a 993 RSR, which has around 370bhp as standard and is about the same weight. Probably looking around 60k (or is that optimistic?) for an RSR?
Once I decide which route I am going down, then I don’t plan (never say never) to sell the car. But should I have to, any money spent on the 964 would effectively be lost, where as with the 993 I would probably lose very little.
So which car would you chose for both of the following options:
1. Take values into account, on the basis that I may sell in the future.
2. Forget about cost and future values, and look at the cars purely on the respective merits.
…the tuned 964 rs cs with 380bhp or the 993 rsr?
Mark
, giving a total spend of around 48k! The alternative - Sell the 964 and buy a 993 RSR, which has around 370bhp as standard and is about the same weight. Probably looking around 60k (or is that optimistic?) for an RSR?
Once I decide which route I am going down, then I don’t plan (never say never) to sell the car. But should I have to, any money spent on the 964 would effectively be lost, where as with the 993 I would probably lose very little.
So which car would you chose for both of the following options:
1. Take values into account, on the basis that I may sell in the future.
2. Forget about cost and future values, and look at the cars purely on the respective merits.
…the tuned 964 rs cs with 380bhp or the 993 rsr?
Mark
Or you could sell the 964 to fund this [url]Mobile www.mobile.de/SID3EOh3N5JfXHBjh7yBAEAAg-t-vaNexlCsAsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB10LsearchPublicJ1070888014A1LsearchPublicCCarY-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1B21B20B38k-t-vMkMoSm_xsO~BSRA6E20100F964%FF%A0rsE964RSA0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?top=29&bereich=pkw&id=11111111126206752&[/url], it's about the same as you estimate your car at present, alle the work is done with RUF name to back up reliability and resale..... I drooled a bit over it last night 
Ramzez
Ramzez
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domster said:
Yeah, makes more sense to keep what you've got and tune it. Supercharger may be more cost effective way to tune, but not sure how well these are regarded on RSs.
I would much prefer to go down the route of normally aspirated with Mr Belton!! May cost more, but the end result would be far superior IMHO!
No probs Ramzez. I was posting stupidly long URLs until I spotted it. Good site to know about.
Mark - I know what you mean. However, I have a slight fondness for superchargers and turbos simply because I have the reg plate B10VVN, which I want to attach to something that benefits from forced induction. Of course, I could just sell it to Hugh Grant
Mark - I know what you mean. However, I have a slight fondness for superchargers and turbos simply because I have the reg plate B10VVN, which I want to attach to something that benefits from forced induction. Of course, I could just sell it to Hugh Grant
Am I best sitting on the side of this discussion for fear of being a little bit biased??
Come on JC, tell him about the faultless perfect idle, the ease of the bottom end response, the seamless delivery and the 4000rpm of useable torque band. I suggest that you go and drive a genuine RSR because they are nothing like civilised....
Come on JC, tell him about the faultless perfect idle, the ease of the bottom end response, the seamless delivery and the 4000rpm of useable torque band. I suggest that you go and drive a genuine RSR because they are nothing like civilised....
Ah, the tractability... easier to drive than many 'chipped' RS's I've driven, even after my hooligan three-four laps with a sticky tyred GT2, came into the pits and the idle was rock solid at a 1000rpm!!
One of the revelations with this conversion, is that despite a greatly increased rev range, there are no 'weak' areas that you try and avoid.
To hear this engine run from 2000-8000rpm when it's screaming like a wild banshee is a true delight.
The 6 or 8 laps of Oulton Park last Saturday has convinced me that this is the only uncompromised and realistic way to get real BHP gains out of these engines.
The problem with the majority of Porsche Tuners is they offer plently but deliver little.
Sure £15-£20k is a lot of money, but you're getting an awful lot for your money. The conversion is well engineered and wonderfully executed. Bit of a reality check when you can spend £3k on rs exhausts/chip/cats that give you didly squat.
One of the revelations with this conversion, is that despite a greatly increased rev range, there are no 'weak' areas that you try and avoid.
To hear this engine run from 2000-8000rpm when it's screaming like a wild banshee is a true delight.
The 6 or 8 laps of Oulton Park last Saturday has convinced me that this is the only uncompromised and realistic way to get real BHP gains out of these engines.
The problem with the majority of Porsche Tuners is they offer plently but deliver little.
Sure £15-£20k is a lot of money, but you're getting an awful lot for your money. The conversion is well engineered and wonderfully executed. Bit of a reality check when you can spend £3k on rs exhausts/chip/cats that give you didly squat.
CB and JC, I have no doubt about the huge improvement in torque, performace and driveability. I wouldn't consider spending 20k if I did! I believe the approach and quality of work CB takes is worth the money.
What I am questioning is whether it is the right thing to do? Why not buy a 993 RSR which has almost the same power to weight, and will lose considerably less money should I be forced to sell the car?
I really love the 964 rs cs don't get me wrong, but is the 993 RSR a better buy?
What I am questioning is whether it is the right thing to do? Why not buy a 993 RSR which has almost the same power to weight, and will lose considerably less money should I be forced to sell the car?
I really love the 964 rs cs don't get me wrong, but is the 993 RSR a better buy?
I always thought the 993 RSR had the same 300bhp as the regular RS, called RSR rather than Clubsport in the UK to avoid confusion with the marketing of the 968.
Using the stock motor the only difference to drivetrain was different gear ratios in 5th & maybe 6th.
The power to weight is improved by the total reduction in interior trim as in headlining. what are these 370bhp RSR cars you mention?
Using the stock motor the only difference to drivetrain was different gear ratios in 5th & maybe 6th.
The power to weight is improved by the total reduction in interior trim as in headlining. what are these 370bhp RSR cars you mention?
This is where the confusion is! The correct factory designation for the Ninemeister's car is a 993rs Clubsport. However Porsche believed the 7 RHD 993 rs Clubsports should be called 993rsr so as not to let people spending £70k get upset because their cars were in some way associated with the 'cheaper' 968 Clubsport.
The 993rsr is a full blown race car sporing GT2 esque wheel arch apendages and 360-370BHP as standard.
The 993rsr is a full blown race car sporing GT2 esque wheel arch apendages and 360-370BHP as standard.
Sounds like a lot of agrevation to me.
Especially when you've got the perfect basis for a 380BHP conversion already - which will cost you less in total than a 993 rsr.
Manfred Freisinger had one some time ago for about £70k. Sounds like a lot to me when you're 964rs cs could be more powerful for less than £50k!
Especially when you've got the perfect basis for a 380BHP conversion already - which will cost you less in total than a 993 rsr.
Manfred Freisinger had one some time ago for about £70k. Sounds like a lot to me when you're 964rs cs could be more powerful for less than £50k!
993rsr said:
Sounds like a lot of agrevation to me.
Especially when you've got the perfect basis for a 380BHP conversion already - which will cost you less in total than a 993 rsr.
Manfred Freisinger had one some time ago for about £70k. Sounds like a lot to me when you're 964rs cs could be more powerful for less than £50k!
John I agree in terms of initial outlay! But I have always thought that modifying a car is waste money. As any money spent, will not increase the value, hence if you have to sell the money is lost! My preference is to buy something that was designed from the outset to the specification you want! I friend of mine spent over 80k tuning a car into something that is now only worth 30k if he is lucky!!
I am clearly not thinking of going to that extreme, and do believe the work CB is doing vastly improves the current set-up. It is more that I am someone who does not like losing any more money than is necessary, should I have to sell it!
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