water cooled 993
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gt2russ

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547 posts

209 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Just wondered why the top of the range 993 has a water cooled engine yet the rest of the range is oil cooled any ideas.

Pope

2,653 posts

268 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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???

Really? You sure?


Unless you mean the 993 based GT1.....
But not really a 993, the same lights but a totally different car.......

Ultra Violent

2,827 posts

290 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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It doesn't.

BertBert

20,775 posts

232 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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I thought the common terminology was "air-cooled"?
Bert

Pope

2,653 posts

268 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Does he mean early to late GSXR's........?

gt2russ

Original Poster:

547 posts

209 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Yep i think you guys know the top of the range 993 was water cooled just testing you 993 gt2 air cooled 993 gt1 water cooled.The 993 based gt2 and the 993 based gt1,but do you know why it was watercooled

Ultra Violent

2,827 posts

290 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Because it keeps temps down and is more efficient. Porsche has been watercooling for years before the 996. The 962 had water cooled heads like the GT1 blocked engines. Makes a big difference with turbo cars.

R2FU

1,232 posts

279 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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gt2russ said:
Yep i think you guys know the top of the range 993 was water cooled just testing you 993 gt2 air cooled 993 gt1 water cooled.The 993 based gt2 and the 993 based gt1,but do you know why it was watercooled
Because Porsche engineers heard that's what BMW had planned for the E46 M3 so thought that it must be the ultimate? wink

Ultra Violent

2,827 posts

290 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Oh, and the GT1 is not considered a 993. It just has the same front end grafted on. Some of the GT1's actually have the 996 front end. I was offered one some years ago at a price that now seems like small change. Hindsight, wonderful thing.

gt2russ

Original Poster:

547 posts

209 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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Ultra Violent said:
Oh, and the GT1 is not considered a 993. It just has the same front end grafted on. Some of the GT1's actually have the 996 front end. I was offered one some years ago at a price that now seems like small change. Hindsight, wonderful thing.
do you know what car the dashboard, wiring loom, Engine block, gearbox come from ?

christer

2,804 posts

272 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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It is a common misconception that a car is specifically air cooled. The older 911's are actually oil-cooled. The 996GT3 is also oil-cooled with water-cooled heads - just like the GT1.

All cars are air-cooled - almost all cars have radiators that depend on air to cool the vanes etc etc. - whether it is water or oil in the system depends on the car of course.




Orangecurry

7,749 posts

227 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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gt2russ said:
Ultra Violent said:
Oh, and the GT1 is not considered a 993. It just has the same front end grafted on. Some of the GT1's actually have the 996 front end. I was offered one some years ago at a price that now seems like small change. Hindsight, wonderful thing.
do you know what car the dashboard, wiring loom, Engine block, gearbox come from ?
964?

Hacho

59 posts

219 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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Do you know the first Porsche was a VW

Ultra Violent

2,827 posts

290 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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Its not clear exactly which engine was used as the base for the GT1. The chassis was an evolution from the 962/956 and I suspect the engine was too. I think it was a 3.2tt which was probably closer to the 962 rather than any of the road cars of the day. The dash was probably bespoke, and the gearbox case may have come from a 964, but unlikely. The 993 gt2 evo produced similar power, around 600bhp, but was aircooled.

BertBert

20,775 posts

232 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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christer said:
It is a common misconception that a car is specifically air cooled. The older 911's are actually oil-cooled.
More the convention of terminology. Although if the terminology of air-cooled cannot be applied then I don't think that oil-cooled works either.

Bert

christer

2,804 posts

272 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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BertBert said:
christer said:
It is a common misconception that a car is specifically air cooled. The older 911's are actually oil-cooled.
More the convention of terminology. Although if the terminology of air-cooled cannot be applied then I don't think that oil-cooled works either.

Bert
I seesmile Thanks.

Orangecurry

7,749 posts

227 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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Hacho said:
Do you know the first Porsche was a VW
Nahhh - it was a Tatra.

Did you know Porsche Snr was very keen on electric motors/transmission? Apart from loads of overcomplicated stuff that wasn't chosen to put into production, he designed the electric drive for rotating the turrets on the big panzers in WW2.

If only ze Chermans had won - we wouldn't have ANY climate change today hehe

Gary C

14,554 posts

200 months

Hacho said:
Do you know the first Porsche was a VW
but what is the 'first' Porsche ?

Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche GmbH started as a design consultancy and developed the beetle, but can you consider that the first Porsche ? or maybe is should be the Porsche 64 using Beetle bits ?

Or should it be the 356 made by Porsche Konstruktionen GesmbH ? which is a different company run by a different person that directly led to todays Porsches ?

Saying "Do you know the first Porsche was a VW", is a bit dull really, almost something Clarkson would say.


Gary C

14,554 posts

200 months

christer said:
It is a common misconception that a car is specifically air cooled. The older 911's are actually oil-cooled.
Eh ?

You do know the flat 6 cylinder barrels before the 996 are finned and air is blown across them ?

The majority of the engine cooling is via air cooling, thus air cooled. Most cars do this with a water jacket around the cylinders, thus water cooled.


Jon_Brown91

62 posts

25 months

My first car (aka Porsche) was. 1964 model 1200cc Volkswagen Beetle with an output of 34bhp and a 6 volt electrical system I drove this car for nearly 80k miles, more than any Porsche I have since owned! It was prone to water leaks but I held it together with filler.