I strayed into a Porsche Garage on Saturday!
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No, sorry you have not completely converted me - yet!.
never thought I would admit that
As I won a track day in a Porsche (at Btap) I thought that I would take a closer look at the beasties in question.
The guys in the garage (at Wilmslow) were very happy to chat and gave me lots of info.
I must say that if I ever wanted to stray away from my beloved TVR then I would look at the 911 (bearing in mind most of my life I am skint), (perhaps a lottery win would do it!).
I do like the older cars. So you never know!
I may be further convinced after the day out.
For the time being I am very happy with my Griff so do not expect a transfer soon.
By the way apparently red is a good colour as they sell on very quickly!
Eli
never thought I would admit that
As I won a track day in a Porsche (at Btap) I thought that I would take a closer look at the beasties in question.
The guys in the garage (at Wilmslow) were very happy to chat and gave me lots of info.
I must say that if I ever wanted to stray away from my beloved TVR then I would look at the 911 (bearing in mind most of my life I am skint), (perhaps a lottery win would do it!).
I do like the older cars. So you never know!
I may be further convinced after the day out.
For the time being I am very happy with my Griff so do not expect a transfer soon.
By the way apparently red is a good colour as they sell on very quickly!
Eli
Welcome Eli. I'm sure a 911 would do you a power of good. Look at all the ex-Griff owners we have here... Scottster, sb-1 etc. 
Red for resale depends on the car, and I suspect the salesman really wanted to flog you a red one that he had in stock
Silver is by far the most popular colour 
Now go and drive a Porsche - or even better, take a track-biased model (RS, GT3 etc) out on track. If you don't buy a Porsche soon after then iguana's not a lucky heather salesman
Red for resale depends on the car, and I suspect the salesman really wanted to flog you a red one that he had in stock
Silver is by far the most popular colour Now go and drive a Porsche - or even better, take a track-biased model (RS, GT3 etc) out on track. If you don't buy a Porsche soon after then iguana's not a lucky heather salesman
Hello Eli,
If you're a TVR driver, you're familiar with all of the great rear wheel drive/front engine balance characteristics of the finest. You could step into a 944 of any type, or a 928, and have an absolute blast.
However, stepping into a 911 would be different. The 911 is an antique design that Porsche has tried to get rid of in the past because it is a dangerous combination. For expert drivers on the race tracks, it can be (with a severe adaptive driving style) very effective. For street use, anyone driving into a decreasing radius turn too quickly and lifting, will crash backwards. Just ask the insurance people how many 911 crashes are backwards, you'll get the idea.
The TVR, 944 series, and 928 are an inherently much safer design, all of which are basically 50%/50% front/rear. In other words, they are perfect. By comparison, the 911 is a 60%/40% design, with most of the weight on the rear.
You'll find a lot of squeeling from the 911 guys about the so calles "superiority" of their cars, but no matter how hard they squeel, they'll never be able to accomplish this with a 911 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/tanjwarrior/Beginnings/928WeightDistLarge.jpg
Perfect balance is a thing of beauty on the road. With a 911, yes, they certainly can be entertaining and can be driven fast and with skill, but it takes concentration all the time, or you'll run the risk of crashing backwards. :-) Hey, just the facts, just the facts.
Dogsharks
If you're a TVR driver, you're familiar with all of the great rear wheel drive/front engine balance characteristics of the finest. You could step into a 944 of any type, or a 928, and have an absolute blast.
However, stepping into a 911 would be different. The 911 is an antique design that Porsche has tried to get rid of in the past because it is a dangerous combination. For expert drivers on the race tracks, it can be (with a severe adaptive driving style) very effective. For street use, anyone driving into a decreasing radius turn too quickly and lifting, will crash backwards. Just ask the insurance people how many 911 crashes are backwards, you'll get the idea.
The TVR, 944 series, and 928 are an inherently much safer design, all of which are basically 50%/50% front/rear. In other words, they are perfect. By comparison, the 911 is a 60%/40% design, with most of the weight on the rear.
You'll find a lot of squeeling from the 911 guys about the so calles "superiority" of their cars, but no matter how hard they squeel, they'll never be able to accomplish this with a 911 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/tanjwarrior/Beginnings/928WeightDistLarge.jpg
Perfect balance is a thing of beauty on the road. With a 911, yes, they certainly can be entertaining and can be driven fast and with skill, but it takes concentration all the time, or you'll run the risk of crashing backwards. :-) Hey, just the facts, just the facts.
Dogsharks
Here's an interesting writeup about the Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, and 928 running absolute flat out, with comments about the stability of the machine.
This is what 50%/50% balance and the Weissach rear axle will do for you.
www.fiber.demon.co.uk/928gbporker/page1.htm
People have written a lot of things about the 911 series, much of it good, but running at this speed with 60% of the weight over the rear end simply isn't going to get this kind of a review.
Dogsharks
This is what 50%/50% balance and the Weissach rear axle will do for you.
www.fiber.demon.co.uk/928gbporker/page1.htm
People have written a lot of things about the 911 series, much of it good, but running at this speed with 60% of the weight over the rear end simply isn't going to get this kind of a review.
Dogsharks
Question Chaps Of all the cars to hold the official ring lap record for a standard road car how meny have been front engined?
Or do our "dangerous rear engined cars " actualy do OK?
There you go I was baited
PS live and let live, drive what ever you are comfortable with
>> Edited by lightweight on Monday 12th January 17:25
>> Edited by lightweight on Monday 12th January 17:25
Or do our "dangerous rear engined cars " actualy do OK?
There you go I was baited
PS live and let live, drive what ever you are comfortable with
>> Edited by lightweight on Monday 12th January 17:25
>> Edited by lightweight on Monday 12th January 17:25
What's the weight distribution of an F1 car again? Oh yeah, about 60/40, no wonder they're so slow 
There's nothing like being in a 911 at the exit of a 2nd gear corner and disappearing into the distance while the "perfectly balanced" other marques struggle to find a bit of traction...
There's nothing like being in a 911 at the exit of a 2nd gear corner and disappearing into the distance while the "perfectly balanced" other marques struggle to find a bit of traction...
Wanna go fast in a Porsche?
www.928trackcars.com/thomas/index-f.htm
This one sets the record for street driven automobiles.
(I've been in it too!)
Dogsharks
www.928trackcars.com/thomas/index-f.htm
This one sets the record for street driven automobiles.
(I've been in it too!)
Dogsharks
JohnM993C4 said:
What's the weight distribution of an F1 car again? Oh yeah, about 60/40, no wonder they're so slow
There's nothing like being in a 911 at the exit of a 2nd gear corner and disappearing into the distance while the "perfectly balanced" other marques struggle to find a bit of traction...
That "champagne cork out of a bottle feeling"
Show me a F1 car with the engine BEHIND the rear axle. Virtually all F1 cars are mid engine, they don't have the weight hanging out "behind" the car.
Porsche has an "antique" design here, and they excell in development. They've actually developed the car so it handles reasonably well, despite the poor concept they had to deal with all along. Even the Carrera from the 1950's had the motor in the proper place, for obvious reasons.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 911, but you sure won't find anyone saying a 911 is so stable that you can adjust the stereo at 170-mph like a 928. From a stability point of view, there's really no comparison.
Dogsharks
Porsche has an "antique" design here, and they excell in development. They've actually developed the car so it handles reasonably well, despite the poor concept they had to deal with all along. Even the Carrera from the 1950's had the motor in the proper place, for obvious reasons.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 911, but you sure won't find anyone saying a 911 is so stable that you can adjust the stereo at 170-mph like a 928. From a stability point of view, there's really no comparison.
Dogsharks
dogsharks said:
but you sure won't find anyone saying a 911 is so stable that you can adjust the stereo at 170-mph like a 928. From a stability point of view, there's really no comparison.
Dogsharks
All I know is that in France I had my 964C4 up to 170mph indicated, I hardly had to hold the wheel it was so stable!
170-mph in a C4??? There are some who don't think a C4 will even go that fast.
In any case, I'm sure a 4-wheel drive setup on a 911 will do wonders over the base 2-wheel car. As I may have noted, or should have noted, Porsche has been good at design, but better with development. The development of 4-wheel drive is just one thing they did to improve the car. I suspect the 4WD hardware helped the weight bias, by adding weight up front. Did they ever get a 50/50 with the 911 series?
www.porsche964.co.uk/technical/performance.htm
Dogsharks
In any case, I'm sure a 4-wheel drive setup on a 911 will do wonders over the base 2-wheel car. As I may have noted, or should have noted, Porsche has been good at design, but better with development. The development of 4-wheel drive is just one thing they did to improve the car. I suspect the 4WD hardware helped the weight bias, by adding weight up front. Did they ever get a 50/50 with the 911 series?
www.porsche964.co.uk/technical/performance.htm
Dogsharks
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