boxster s ims failure, how likley?
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hi guys, as above really, new car at the end of next month ( well new to me anyway lol) really like the idea of a boxster s, would like a 911 but cant aford it, got about 11-12k so will be higher miles and abit older i know, the only thing holding me back and steering me toward a z4 is this ims issue, would just like to know just how likley it is to get one that will have this failure in its future, and is it correct that a higher mile car is less likley to suffer from this? i know that people only tend to tell others of the horror stories so im hoping this prob is not as bad as made out, so any advice on this would be great, plus just any other info when buying a boxster s, thanks in advance
plenty of info on www.planet-9.com interesting american site for boxster/cayman owners.if only have £12k have you thought about the older yet brillant 964(1989 to 1993)your money will get a nice one and satisfies your 911 lust and you wont lose any money and its a classic(last of the proper shaped 911)
I too sometimes look fondly at some of those mint looking 964's you see for sale
Then I slap myself round the head and remember that they are all in the region of 20 years old and will all be suffering from many forms of decay, metal fatigue, rubber hardening, rust, normal mechanical wear etc, etc.
On top of that the driving experience is very, very different from modern porsches.
I know there are some truly superb restored items out there but the majority will simply be a labour of love and not really suitable to drive for every day transport without plenty of TLC. (ideal for all the old mechanics out there but not ideal if you have to pay someone else for every minor repair)
I will just carry on driving my water cooled with traction control, abs, air bags, crumple zones, air con etc and look on wistfully every time I pass one of those lovely old porsches on the road!
Then I slap myself round the head and remember that they are all in the region of 20 years old and will all be suffering from many forms of decay, metal fatigue, rubber hardening, rust, normal mechanical wear etc, etc.
On top of that the driving experience is very, very different from modern porsches.
I know there are some truly superb restored items out there but the majority will simply be a labour of love and not really suitable to drive for every day transport without plenty of TLC. (ideal for all the old mechanics out there but not ideal if you have to pay someone else for every minor repair)
I will just carry on driving my water cooled with traction control, abs, air bags, crumple zones, air con etc and look on wistfully every time I pass one of those lovely old porsches on the road!
Sh*t happens sometimes.
Don't go through life worrying about it.
Just buy what is the best little convertible sports cars on the road today, and enjoy.
I have one, I sometimes hanker for a 911/Aston V8 or DB9 and will get one one day I expect, but it will be as an additional car not a replacement, I can't see ever wanting to out the Box, it's fast enough, nippy in traffic, sounds great and with 2 boots real world practical and to be truthful makes the 911 expensive for what little extra you get (other than the fact that it is a 911 and all that!). + in a 911 I miss the feeling of the immediacy or intimacy you get with the engine just behind the seat.
Don't go through life worrying about it.
Just buy what is the best little convertible sports cars on the road today, and enjoy.
I have one, I sometimes hanker for a 911/Aston V8 or DB9 and will get one one day I expect, but it will be as an additional car not a replacement, I can't see ever wanting to out the Box, it's fast enough, nippy in traffic, sounds great and with 2 boots real world practical and to be truthful makes the 911 expensive for what little extra you get (other than the fact that it is a 911 and all that!). + in a 911 I miss the feeling of the immediacy or intimacy you get with the engine just behind the seat.
t happens" just cant aford it to happen to me lol, im guessing that from the lack of replies back saying " dont do it" its not as bad as its made out to be, iv read that its around a 5% chance of this, would that be accurate? thanks againI keep seeing this 5% notional failure rate.
Let's just say it could be 5%.......................
Do you think it all likely that a few drivers in every 100 are complete morons who rev the nuts off an engine from cold, dont often check the oil and water levels and occasionally change down from 5th to second when doing 100mph.
I'm not convinced that its all down to bad engines!
But who would possibly admit to being a moron?????
You could buy a car from someone who says they regularly get 35mpg, but who will admit to being that anal??
Oh dear, risky business buying cars.
Let's just say it could be 5%.......................
Do you think it all likely that a few drivers in every 100 are complete morons who rev the nuts off an engine from cold, dont often check the oil and water levels and occasionally change down from 5th to second when doing 100mph.
I'm not convinced that its all down to bad engines!
But who would possibly admit to being a moron?????
You could buy a car from someone who says they regularly get 35mpg, but who will admit to being that anal??
Oh dear, risky business buying cars.
I keep seeing this 5% notional failure rate.
Let's just say it could be 5%.......................
pugley said:
"Do you think it all likely that a few drivers in every 100 are complete morons who rev the nuts off an engine from cold, dont often check the oil and water levels and occasionally change down from 5th to second when doing 100mph.
I'm not convinced that its all down to bad engines!
But who would possibly admit to being a moron?????
You could buy a car from someone who says they regularly get 35mpg, but who will admit to being that anal??
Oh dear, risky business buying cars"
your talking crap most people who have had an engine let go have not abused it.i for one use to let the engine warm to operating temp. before taking above 3000rpm. correct gear changes and not bouncing of the rev. limiter.if you have done your research you will know that these failures are random on engines 2000 to 2005 and can happen at any mileage interval.yes it is fair to imho that failure rate is about 5%.there are no tell tale signs when an engine is about to let go,so when buying there are no clues.so yes it is down purely to bad manufacturing and a poorly designed part.the reason i know all this is because since this happened to me i have researched as much info as i can on the subject.that is why i say to the op if your worried steer clear or save up for a 2006 model onwards.
Let's just say it could be 5%.......................
pugley said:
"Do you think it all likely that a few drivers in every 100 are complete morons who rev the nuts off an engine from cold, dont often check the oil and water levels and occasionally change down from 5th to second when doing 100mph.
I'm not convinced that its all down to bad engines!
But who would possibly admit to being a moron?????
You could buy a car from someone who says they regularly get 35mpg, but who will admit to being that anal??
Oh dear, risky business buying cars"
your talking crap most people who have had an engine let go have not abused it.i for one use to let the engine warm to operating temp. before taking above 3000rpm. correct gear changes and not bouncing of the rev. limiter.if you have done your research you will know that these failures are random on engines 2000 to 2005 and can happen at any mileage interval.yes it is fair to imho that failure rate is about 5%.there are no tell tale signs when an engine is about to let go,so when buying there are no clues.so yes it is down purely to bad manufacturing and a poorly designed part.the reason i know all this is because since this happened to me i have researched as much info as i can on the subject.that is why i say to the op if your worried steer clear or save up for a 2006 model onwards.
www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-complaints/41107-986-v-987-v-cayman-engine-problems.html
read reply no.15 by Jay H
read reply no.15 by Jay H
Edited by mayes911 on Thursday 28th January 21:53
Edited by mayes911 on Thursday 28th January 21:54
mayes911 said:
your talking crap most people who have had an engine let go have not abused it.i for one use to let the engine warm to operating temp. before taking above 3000rpm. correct gear changes and not bouncing of the rev. limiter.if you have done your research you will know that these failures are random on engines 2000 to 2005 and can happen at any mileage interval.yes it is fair to imho that failure rate is about 5%.there are no tell tale signs when an engine is about to let go,so when buying there are no clues.so yes it is down purely to bad manufacturing and a poorly designed part.the reason i know all this is because since this happened to me i have researched as much info as i can on the subject.that is why i say to the op if your worried steer clear or save up for a 2006 model onwards.
You are perfectly entitled to your own opinion but to completely dismiss the suggestion that the way an engine is treated may have an impact on its reliability is a little naive. You may look after your engine but can you be absolutely sure that the last owner did? There is no dispute that there must be a design weakness in the engines for them to fail at all. I am just making the point that a small percentage of failures will be undoubtably be due to driver abuse, just as a small percentage are due to design flaws and/or manufacturing tolerance. I think you will also find that these failures have occurred in a number non GT or Turbo engines from 1998 - 2007 not just 2000 - 2005. A little respect does no harm!
Th oil leaks happen on GT / Turbo cars too. When mine was getting fixed there was a 996 GT3 RS next to it in Silverstone, and the engine was out and in pieces. I asked what the problem was and was pointed to the Rear Main Seal - leaking because of under use I was told. The car had only done 2k miles since new.
Sales bod at OPC East London told me they get a few 997s per month which need engines replacing. All done under warranty so no big deal for the customers. He did say though that popped engines seem to affect the 997s more than the Boxsters / Caymans, though I'm not sure what data that is based on.
Sales bod at OPC East London told me they get a few 997s per month which need engines replacing. All done under warranty so no big deal for the customers. He did say though that popped engines seem to affect the 997s more than the Boxsters / Caymans, though I'm not sure what data that is based on.
pugley said: I think you will also find that these failures have occurred in a number non GT or Turbo engines from 1998 - 2007 not just 2000 - 2005.
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:27
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:28
mayes911 said:
pugley said: I think you will also find that these failures have occurred in a number non GT or Turbo engines from 1998 - 2007 not just 2000 - 2005.
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:27
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:28
I own a late 07 997C2S with 20k miles. New engine at 12k miles according to the history. Amazing thing is it only cost 6k gbp according to the warrarny docs (This is in the Gulf). Cheap or what!
Paracetamol said:
mayes911 said:
pugley said: I think you will also find that these failures have occurred in a number non GT or Turbo engines from 1998 - 2007 not just 2000 - 2005.
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
most of the failures of ims have affected cars 2000- 2005 i have yet to hear of post 2006 model year failing.yes rms has affected all years and not just m96/97 engines but even gt1 based cars but this is a problem not to worry about.there has been alot of talk last year of 997 c2s failure but has far as i can gather these have all been 2005 model(54/05 plate).2006 is when they went back to the better bearing.so there still might be failures but are going to be rarer and like i say i have not heard of one yet
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:27
Edited by mayes911 on Friday 29th January 16:28
I own a late 07 997C2S with 20k miles. New engine at 12k miles according to the history. Amazing thing is it only cost 6k gbp according to the warrarny docs (This is in the Gulf). Cheap or what!
It looks like I have an IMS failure. 2005 Boxster S, 34300 miles full Porsche service history. I have owned the car for 5.5 months and only done 3000 of those miles. Porsche did the 111 point check the week before - all OK! The car made few scrapping noises like a fan blade rubbing on something. Then a strange gurling noise followed by a slight misfire. I drove the last 10 miles home slowly. Next day a pool of oil under the car and it sounded like a tractor when I started it. I will let you know if the non Porsche warranty or the dealer over the repair cost. I was worried about IMS when I bought the car but thought the odds were small.. Perhaps I should have got the Z4?
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