just spoke to fearnsport about the 996 tt map
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right guys i've just spoke to matt at fearnsport about getting my x50 mapped as a few of us were discussing on another chaps post
they will still do the remap at the last groupe buy price £600 plut vat
so anyone that was after the groupe buy just give them a call
i said i didnt want to go down the exhaust route again as i had 3 on my last turbo and did not like the noise from any and matt assured me it only makes a small difference unless your going for big big power with other mods and a good remap without will still take it well over 500 bhp @ 1.2/1.3 bar
also asked him about uprated diverter valves and he said at the mo they were having trouble finding any that worked well enough so he'll just check my stock ones are still working ok, if not a new set of porsche plastic ones would be better than most alloy aftermarket ones around at the mo
seems like a nice chap and he could have said to me i need an exhaust and d valves upgrade to get more money form me but no very honest and he sounds like he very much knows his stuff
i'm getting it done in 3 weeks time and welcome any discussions on the matter good or bad
they will still do the remap at the last groupe buy price £600 plut vat
so anyone that was after the groupe buy just give them a call
i said i didnt want to go down the exhaust route again as i had 3 on my last turbo and did not like the noise from any and matt assured me it only makes a small difference unless your going for big big power with other mods and a good remap without will still take it well over 500 bhp @ 1.2/1.3 bar
also asked him about uprated diverter valves and he said at the mo they were having trouble finding any that worked well enough so he'll just check my stock ones are still working ok, if not a new set of porsche plastic ones would be better than most alloy aftermarket ones around at the mo
seems like a nice chap and he could have said to me i need an exhaust and d valves upgrade to get more money form me but no very honest and he sounds like he very much knows his stuff
i'm getting it done in 3 weeks time and welcome any discussions on the matter good or bad
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute b
h to change though.
h to change though. 'Well' over 500 bhp without an exhaust? I think an exhaust will see you into that but really dubious if a stock exhaust will.
As for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackared after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
As for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackared after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
GT Two said:
'Well' over 500 bhp without an exhaust? I think an exhaust will see you into that but really dubious if a stock exhaust will.
As for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackered after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
People fit 'zorsts for sound and vanity reasons dont they?. If were being honest. Its the boost pressure by and large that determines engine output. The bosch diverters are/were constantly being updated, ie the later the better, used in loads of vag models. They can easily take high boost, but are usually old and brittle in 996tts due to the heat. I got a couple from VW garage, £thirty something plus vat, cheaper than OPC, same part, but it was my 'F' pipe that had died so replaced that, about 60 notes if i remember right. Would not wish that job on anyone, no room at all. So got pair of spare diverters now if needed.As for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackered after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
GT Two said:
'Well' over 500 bhp without an exhaust? I think an exhaust will see you into that but really dubious if a stock exhaust will.
As for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackared after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
hi when i say well over 500 he was talking 530 ish at 1.2/1.3 bar and said they run an x50 car with just a map and that's around what it producesAs for noise, try tubi or europipe or even Milltek.
I can only speak from experience on a 996tt and GT2 on the DV's and in both cases mine knackared after a map. Had good results with forge dv's.
i've tried 3 exhausts including a milltek on my last turbo and the sound just ant for me, it also just makes the car get even more unwanted attention when i'm tyring to pick my nose etc
by the sound of what im told 15 bhp is prob all i'd see extrs after an exhaust, unless your running much more power / mods
FWIW a Tubi is 26 BHP & 25lb-ft on a 996 Turbo, any variant. This comes as a direct result of decreased backpressure, so less heat & restriction. It will also spool a little quicker.
To drone or not is your only real question and for some unknown reason a Tiptronic drones worse than a manual !
A good ECU programme is usually around 60 BHP & 70 Lb-ft on either variant of 996 so an X50 which is usualy north of 450 anyway once run in etc, as long as its running good fuel.
So 450 + 60 + 26 = 536 which is about the average that we used to see at Weltmeister in years gone by.
So without an exhaust you should see around 510-515 BHP
HTH
A
To drone or not is your only real question and for some unknown reason a Tiptronic drones worse than a manual !
A good ECU programme is usually around 60 BHP & 70 Lb-ft on either variant of 996 so an X50 which is usualy north of 450 anyway once run in etc, as long as its running good fuel.
So 450 + 60 + 26 = 536 which is about the average that we used to see at Weltmeister in years gone by.
So without an exhaust you should see around 510-515 BHP
HTH
A
Edited by Chipchap on Tuesday 3rd August 10:25
By fitting an exhaust you may not see alot of top end power , but it will cause less back pressure in the turbos and this will result in less charge air heatand egt's. Air In - Air Out on a turbo engine can make alot of other changes other than overall power , spool up of the turbos is also effected for a start.
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
You are probably right about the exhaust. £ for £ it is much less cost effective than the remap. But I'm so glad I got my EP. If I had to choose between map and exhaust I reckon I'd go for the zorst even though it was much more than twice the map. Having said all that I reckon it makes quite a difference to the spool up.
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
markcoznottz said:
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
Better to add a bigger wheel on the K24, and reduce the boost for more power.
Mr F
markcoznottz said:
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
You also can't compare the Porsche engine & boost levels to Cossie engines... single turbo v twin turbo, different comp ratios' etc... meaningless comparison.
You'd be a convert in the benefits of an exhaust if you had a go in mine & compared it to an X50 without ;o)
markcoznottz said:
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
I agree that the likes of Ruf and Manthey don't change DV's or even boost hoses... but then they don't change intercoolers either until you get to mega power levels, but no one is gonna convince me that de facto the stock i/c's are best for this application or can't be improved on.
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
ZeroH said:
markcoznottz said:
Exactly what I was saying recently, you dont need uprated diverters, hoses or exhaust. These cars just dont run enough boost, even 'chipped' or tuned. Reading between the lines, several of the aftermarket diverter valve companies, seem to have a quite relaxed attitude to stock control, ie they havnt got any stock control. Diverters are always 'coming in next week' at the outlets that sell them. One thing to check though is the 'F' pipe which the diverters sit on, this can split, especially if the car is chipped, its quite hard rubber but goes very soft when the engines hot, sees the same boost as the intercooler hoses, but hasnt got a layer of webbing or reinforcement like them, and often goes unnoticed when it splits. Absolute bh to change though.
Sorry Mark but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. h to change though. Upgraded hoses, DV's and an exhaust are very beneficial if you want to maximise your reliability and output.
A remap on its own feels choked without a freer flowing exhaust and as Lee has stated already, lots of people have suffered from the plastic Bosch DV's giving up the ghost.
These cars will run whatever boost is programmed into them... k16's have been known to run 1.5bar on race fuel, and k24's can run 1.2/1.3bar.... thats not a small increase !
I agree that the likes of Ruf and Manthey don't change DV's or even boost hoses... but then they don't change intercoolers either until you get to mega power levels, but no one is gonna convince me that de facto the stock i/c's are best for this application or can't be improved on.
The x50, gt2, turbo S coolers are slightly bigger arent they?. Clever marketing or engineering improvement?. 8 odd grand was money for old rope for slightly bigger turbos and coolers, although second hand makes a good bargain for anyone in the market now.
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