C16, C25 and all that..help!

[Fordey]

I'm looking at a 996 which has a German Stamp which states 'Tourist delivery' as part of the address (full address declared is Dr. Ing. h.c.F. Porsche, Aktiengesellschaft, Tourist delivery, Porscheplatz, 70435 Stuttgart). Dealer reckons it's a factory collection but definately a UK car (by Stratstones). Sounds OK? Its car code is C25.

Can someone also confirm if a UK car is coded C25 and uk spec. imports coded C16?

All advice appreciated.


>>> Edited by Fordey on Monday 5th April 20:53

[uktrucks]

Not exactly sure but whether or not it was supplied from Factory or your local dealer a UK spec car is designated C16 as it's destined market.

Really unsure where C25 was destined for, Cyprus maybe?



Allan

[grant3]

These codes are factory codes which are built new to each countries specification, C16 is the code for the UK. e.g built new at the factory to Uk specification.
I'm not sure what C25 is (Switzerland perhaps) you would have to email Porsche Germany, but is DEFINITELY not a Uk spec car from new.
In some countries full leather & air con isn't standard,the alarms are different (this has insurance issues) & the radio & underseal can also vary. The problem with buying a non C16 is you can't be sure what is or isn't missing.
The only way I would even consider a non C16 is if
a/ It's VERY cheap
b/ you can contact the foreign supplying OPC dealer verify it's history & build details.
c/ You check out insurance
d/Be aware that most OPC's won't buy non-C16 which restricts P/X re-sale.
At the end of the day there are a lot of good C16 cars out there to choose from, why compromise.

[Fordey]

Thanks chaps.

Looks like I've simply been turned over. I stupidly didn't check the service book and took dealer (one man band) at face value; though he did confim in writing to me that it wasn't an import. Also I didn't check with PCGB until it was too later. It seems I have bought an import originally destined for India of all places before the order was cancelled and redirected over here.

I'll try and get money back or pursue legal lines (fat chance) but for now need to assertain what the true value of a 2002 import, C2 tip, facelift 3.6 with 16,000 miles and reasonable spec. Paid £47,500 which is below anything else I saw by about £4K. For what it's worth, the car is spotless. Thanks for your advice neverttheless.

[grant3]

Don't kick yourself too hard, it still has a good value, the facelifts are sought after. I think you should get some form of compensation/refund from the dealer if he has mislead you. If you can't , you can still increase it's value by getting all the information on it's back ground, was the Indian dealer an OPC, if so he can confirm when the car came from the factory & then to the UK. With all the info. documented & a full list of the options fitted to the car, it should still have a good value. But I would still get a C16 if you can !
Let is know how you get on.
Regards
Grant

[uktrucks]

If the dealer has confirmed in writing that the car is/was not an import and it transpires now that it is you can simply return it under "The sale of Goods Act" as amended 1979 [look it up on Google]

1] Fit for purpose. Your purpose was to buy & drive a UK car.
2] Be exactly as described. Evidently not as described.
3] There are 2 others that may be relevant

If you funded the car on HP or similar, or better still on a credit card then you have lots of muscle to bring to bear.

If the car is nice, try reasoning with the supplier that you will keep it but want the car price to reflect it's status as non C16 compared to the true selling price of a C16 car from an independant. i.e around £3-4k behind them. So ask for a refund of this.
If this fails simply present him with a letter outlining your intention to return the goods under the act above.

Regards

Allan

[Fordey]

Grant, appreciate you reply. The car was a 'tourist delivery' which is factory collection right? However, though that doesn't quite stack if it's original owner is declared (all be it on a sticker on the service book only)as being resident in New Delhi. Now there's a drive home! My guess is the order was cancelled by the indian chap and was possilby then collected by first registered owner. The logbook declared the car was 'registered as new' in the UK which, according to DVLA, means it hasn't been registered any where else in the world. It's all a bit curious and have written to PCGB to see if they can shed any light.

UKTrucks - sound advice, thanks. Current situation is no reply from any of my messages into the 'dealer'. So negotiation may be difficult!! But you're right, 'Sale of goods act' and pursuing a legal case (misrepresentation) is how I'll get anything. And compensation is what i now want. Happy with the car having slept now on the situation. But, compensation is going to be difficult I'm told and costly if using solicitors. i.e. spend £3-4K to get £3-4K. We'll see.

A C25 car, by the way, is for the India/Malyasia/Thailand corner of the the world.

I'll post an update when i hear from Porsche GB.

[grant3]

Fordey,
I think you will have to go direct to Porsche Germany for any answers on the exact specification of this car.
Phone [phone] & ask for customer relations..best of luck.

[murray]

I've got a Mercedes E320 which has 'new at first registration' on the V5. Doesn't mean what it says as this car was registered in Germany by someone in the UK armed forces 6 months prior to it being registered in the UK.

Jim

[rumbletumble]

Also check the insurance status. A few companies restrict cars not made for the EU market. Even if your insurer didn’t ask you about the import status, check the small print in detail in the policy or get them to confirm that it is covered despite it not being a UK / EU car. Definitely don’t want to be driving around without that reassurance.