driving a 911........
Discussion
right, i'm no steve rance but i've had the car out again today & i thought i'd post up on a few new experiences with the car.
first of all, for those who don't know me, my car is a 993 c4 that had been nicely though somewhat strangely specced when new, mo30 special chassis, nice but diferent interior, rs body styling etc & its a MY98 so it gets the other goodies like the power brakes, varioram etc.
so, my first 911 (first porsche in fact) but the culmination of a lifelong dream.
i got the car in around july & tentatively set about learning to drive the thing. now, like i said i can't describe things maybe as eloquently as some who post on here but i'll try me best! i didn't buy the car to track but seeing as i had a place on a nurburgring track day & as i know the northloop quite well i thought it would be a good place to start. the car was in mint condition but i put some brand new pzeros on for the trip & away we went. now for all those that haven't driven a 4wd it doesn't really make itself felt that much, you just get a bit more driveline shunt & a bit of drag when you're really pressing on. perhaps its a shade less reluctant to turn in as well, though that could have been my driving style before i got used to it.
the ring was pretty wet that day though we did get some dry laps & it was all going pretty well (though my dad later said at no point did he ever feel safe in the passenger seat,even though he's sat through loads of sub 8:30 laps in my old cars), a couple of moments but hey thats learning isn't it!?
two near spins when it was damp did have me puzzled though, the first was at adenauer forst (the second part-the right hander) then again a couple of laps later at ex-muhle, & i've never got it wrong there before. both corners are a transition from left to right so i was obviously unsettling the car in some way. what i did find was the relative ease in which the slide was controlled (though the fact that these are two of the slowest corners on the loop probably helped just a little!)with a simple winding on of opposite lock & a bootfull of gas. i guess the viscous diff helps pull you through in the 4wd but i've always been taught about the importance of weight transfer when pushing on & especially in the 911 it's at the front of your mind!
so the last 6 months have progressed probably as most other owners, gradually trying to figure the car out, but i don't mind admitting it i couldn't get it to work. it always felt like the front to rear centre of gravity was somewhere behind the front seats, with me & the front wheels bouncing along on one end of the seesaw. everyone always said about how much a 911 wheel talks to you as you drive but perhaps the 4wd versions were a bit mute? trail braking did help as suggested by the guys in the know but i always felt you were on the edge so to speak, & what if you needed a little squeeze of brake more? how much would that upset the car mid bend? the fact was i was happy with the car (& i do love the thing) i just figured that it wasn't suited to my style of driving & just get on with enjoying owning the thing.
so long story short i fitted new suspension! i wanted the car at rs ride height & i figured if i was going in there why not do the job properly & refresh the whole thing. i won't lie budget & aesthetics dictated what i used (there was a large contingency fund for replacing topmounts & any bushes-these things mount up) so i went with gerts extra thread HDs with H&R pink springs. i'd heard good things about redline racing so they got the job of fitting the new kit & deciding what would need replacing on the consumables side. when we got onto the subject of geo set up & corner weighting i described how i drove the car & what a thought of it. the best description of what they were going to do was this
"imagine the car on huge soft off road springs-now imagine where you want the weight to balance & what you want to happen under braking,acceleration,cornering etc"
on getting the car back it all felt very nice, tramlined a bit more but not crashy or overly hard (& it is very low!), but what with the weather up here it hasn't left the garage until the last few days.
what a difference! it literally is like a different car. i've done a couple of hundred miles on b roads just getting a feel for it & it's superb. when you hear people going on about a car feeling planted thats just what i've got, the damping on uneven roads is great,with the car kind of feeling like its sitting stable with the tyres & suspension soaking up all the imperfections. the front end now feels like its working in unison with the rear, & although the wheel moves around more in your hands it seems to just telegraph so much more information about what the front tyres are doing. on the old set up it almost felt as though the front & back ends were at odds with one another, as if the car was twisting in itself torsionally & you were waiting for it to unwind in a corner & buck itself off the road.
we took the car down to kendal on monday on the superb a6 which is full of fast flowing 3rd,4th & even 5th gear corners & it was a blast. the best way i can describe it is it's as if the car has had a huge rollcage welded in, the car just feels so much more solid & now the suspension is doing more of the work. the only time we were caught out was when i decided to down shift & extra gear just at the turn in of a corner & there was a deep rut accross the width of the road, with only one hand on the wheel the car momanterily skipped as i struggled to hold the wheel-driver error i know!
so all in all i'm very very happy with how it's turned out. the funny thing is in the history file there are loads of invoices down the years for allignments & the previous owner was particulary fastiduous pcgb member, but it just wasn't set up right. the guys even said there was nothing wrong with the old dampers but on arriving at redline even just looking at it in the carpark they said it was a mile out.
so, moral of the story, if like me you struggle with your car get it to someone who knows their 911s, even if your'e not you never know what a diffence a proper set up can do for you.
craig
first of all, for those who don't know me, my car is a 993 c4 that had been nicely though somewhat strangely specced when new, mo30 special chassis, nice but diferent interior, rs body styling etc & its a MY98 so it gets the other goodies like the power brakes, varioram etc.
so, my first 911 (first porsche in fact) but the culmination of a lifelong dream.
i got the car in around july & tentatively set about learning to drive the thing. now, like i said i can't describe things maybe as eloquently as some who post on here but i'll try me best! i didn't buy the car to track but seeing as i had a place on a nurburgring track day & as i know the northloop quite well i thought it would be a good place to start. the car was in mint condition but i put some brand new pzeros on for the trip & away we went. now for all those that haven't driven a 4wd it doesn't really make itself felt that much, you just get a bit more driveline shunt & a bit of drag when you're really pressing on. perhaps its a shade less reluctant to turn in as well, though that could have been my driving style before i got used to it.
the ring was pretty wet that day though we did get some dry laps & it was all going pretty well (though my dad later said at no point did he ever feel safe in the passenger seat,even though he's sat through loads of sub 8:30 laps in my old cars), a couple of moments but hey thats learning isn't it!?
two near spins when it was damp did have me puzzled though, the first was at adenauer forst (the second part-the right hander) then again a couple of laps later at ex-muhle, & i've never got it wrong there before. both corners are a transition from left to right so i was obviously unsettling the car in some way. what i did find was the relative ease in which the slide was controlled (though the fact that these are two of the slowest corners on the loop probably helped just a little!)with a simple winding on of opposite lock & a bootfull of gas. i guess the viscous diff helps pull you through in the 4wd but i've always been taught about the importance of weight transfer when pushing on & especially in the 911 it's at the front of your mind!
so the last 6 months have progressed probably as most other owners, gradually trying to figure the car out, but i don't mind admitting it i couldn't get it to work. it always felt like the front to rear centre of gravity was somewhere behind the front seats, with me & the front wheels bouncing along on one end of the seesaw. everyone always said about how much a 911 wheel talks to you as you drive but perhaps the 4wd versions were a bit mute? trail braking did help as suggested by the guys in the know but i always felt you were on the edge so to speak, & what if you needed a little squeeze of brake more? how much would that upset the car mid bend? the fact was i was happy with the car (& i do love the thing) i just figured that it wasn't suited to my style of driving & just get on with enjoying owning the thing.
so long story short i fitted new suspension! i wanted the car at rs ride height & i figured if i was going in there why not do the job properly & refresh the whole thing. i won't lie budget & aesthetics dictated what i used (there was a large contingency fund for replacing topmounts & any bushes-these things mount up) so i went with gerts extra thread HDs with H&R pink springs. i'd heard good things about redline racing so they got the job of fitting the new kit & deciding what would need replacing on the consumables side. when we got onto the subject of geo set up & corner weighting i described how i drove the car & what a thought of it. the best description of what they were going to do was this
"imagine the car on huge soft off road springs-now imagine where you want the weight to balance & what you want to happen under braking,acceleration,cornering etc"
on getting the car back it all felt very nice, tramlined a bit more but not crashy or overly hard (& it is very low!), but what with the weather up here it hasn't left the garage until the last few days.
what a difference! it literally is like a different car. i've done a couple of hundred miles on b roads just getting a feel for it & it's superb. when you hear people going on about a car feeling planted thats just what i've got, the damping on uneven roads is great,with the car kind of feeling like its sitting stable with the tyres & suspension soaking up all the imperfections. the front end now feels like its working in unison with the rear, & although the wheel moves around more in your hands it seems to just telegraph so much more information about what the front tyres are doing. on the old set up it almost felt as though the front & back ends were at odds with one another, as if the car was twisting in itself torsionally & you were waiting for it to unwind in a corner & buck itself off the road.
we took the car down to kendal on monday on the superb a6 which is full of fast flowing 3rd,4th & even 5th gear corners & it was a blast. the best way i can describe it is it's as if the car has had a huge rollcage welded in, the car just feels so much more solid & now the suspension is doing more of the work. the only time we were caught out was when i decided to down shift & extra gear just at the turn in of a corner & there was a deep rut accross the width of the road, with only one hand on the wheel the car momanterily skipped as i struggled to hold the wheel-driver error i know!
so all in all i'm very very happy with how it's turned out. the funny thing is in the history file there are loads of invoices down the years for allignments & the previous owner was particulary fastiduous pcgb member, but it just wasn't set up right. the guys even said there was nothing wrong with the old dampers but on arriving at redline even just looking at it in the carpark they said it was a mile out.
so, moral of the story, if like me you struggle with your car get it to someone who knows their 911s, even if your'e not you never know what a diffence a proper set up can do for you.
craig
And as if by magic.....
Craigs 993 story.
Right, I’m no Steve Rance but I’ve had the car out again today & I thought I’d post up on a few new experiences with the car.
First of all, for those who don't know me, my car is a 993 C4 that had been nicely though somewhat strangely specced when new, MO30 special chassis, nice but different interior, RS body styling etc & its a MY98 so it gets the other goodies like the power brakes, Varioram etc.
So, my first 911 (first Porsche in fact) but the culmination of a lifelong dream.
I got the car in July & tentatively set about learning to drive the thing. Now, like I said I can't describe things maybe as eloquently as some who post on here but I’ll try me best! I didn't buy the car to track but seeing as I had a place on a Nurburgring track day & as I know the Northloop quite well I thought it would be a good place to start.
The car was in mint condition but I put some brand new P-Zeros on for the trip & away we went. Now for all those that haven't driven a 4wd it doesn't really make itself felt that much, you just get a bit more driveline shunt & a bit of drag when you're really pressing on. Perhaps it’s a shade less reluctant to turn in as well, though that could have been my driving style before i got used to it.
The Ring was pretty wet that day though we did get some dry laps & it was all going pretty well (Though my Dad later said at no point did he ever feel safe in the passenger seat, even though he's sat through loads of sub 8:30 laps in my old cars), a couple of moments but hey that’s learning isn't it!?
Two near spins when it was damp did have me puzzled though, the first was at Adenauer Forst (the second part-the right hander) then again a couple of laps later at Ex-Muhle, and I’ve never got it wrong there before. Both corners are a transition from left to right so i was obviously unsettling the car in some way. What I did find was the relative ease in which the slide was controlled (though the fact that these are two of the slowest corners on the loop probably helped just a little!) with a simple winding on of opposite lock and a boot full of gas. I guess the viscous diff helps pull you through in the 4wd but I’ve always been taught about the importance of weight transfer when pushing on and especially in the 911 it's at the front of your mind!
So the last 6 months have progressed probably as most other owners, gradually trying to figure the car out, but I don't mind admitting it I couldn't get it to work. It always felt like the front to rear centre of gravity was somewhere behind the front seats, with me & the front wheels bouncing along on one end of the seesaw. Everyone always said about how much a 911 wheel talks to you as you drive but perhaps the 4wd versions were a bit mute? Trail braking did help as suggested by the guys in the know but I always felt you were on the edge so to speak, & what if you needed a little squeeze of brake more? How much would that upset the car mid bend? The fact was I was happy with the car (& I do love the thing) I just figured that it wasn't suited to my style of driving & just get on with enjoying owning the thing.
So long story short I fitted new suspension! I wanted the car at RS ride height and I figured if I was going in there why not do the job properly & refresh the whole thing. I won't lie budget & aesthetics dictated what i used (there was a large contingency fund for replacing the top mounts & any bushes-these things mount up) so I went with Gerts extra thread HDs with H&R pink springs. I’d heard good things about Redline Racing so they got the job of fitting the new kit & deciding what would need replacing on the consumables side. When we got onto the subject of geo set up & corner weighting I described how I drove the car & what a thought of it. The best description of what they were going to do was this
"Imagine the car on huge soft off road springs. Now imagine where you want the weight to balance and what you want to happen under braking, acceleration, cornering etc"
On getting the car back it all felt very nice, tram-lined a bit more but not crashy or overly hard (and it is very low!), but what with the weather up here it hasn't left the garage until the last few days.
What a difference! It literally is like a different car. I’ve done a couple of hundred miles on B roads just getting a feel for it & it's superb. When you hear people going on about a car feeling planted that’s just what I’ve got, the damping on uneven roads is great, with the car kind of feeling like its sitting stable with the tyres & suspension soaking up all the imperfections. The front end now feels like its working in unison with the rear, & although the wheel moves around more in your hands it seems to just telegraph so much more information about what the front tyres are doing. on the old set up it almost felt as though the front & back ends were at odds with one another, as if the car was twisting in itself torsionally & you were waiting for it to unwind in a corner & buck itself off the road.
We took the car down to Kendal on Monday on the superb A6 which is full of fast flowing 3rd, 4th & even 5th gear corners & it was a blast. The best way I can describe it is it's as if the car has had a huge roll-cage welded in, the car just feels so much more solid & now the suspension is doing more of the work. the only time we were caught out was when I decided to down shift & extra gear just at the turn in of a corner & there was a deep rut across the width of the road, with only one hand on the wheel the car momentarily skipped as I struggled to hold the wheel-driver error I know!
So all in all I’m very happy with how it's turned out. The funny thing is in the history file there are loads of invoices down the years for alignments & the previous owner was particularly fastidious PCGB member, but it just wasn't set up right. The guys even said there was nothing wrong with the old dampers but on arriving at redline even just looking at it in the car park they said it was a mile out.
So, moral of the story, if like me you struggle with your car get it to someone who knows their 911s, even if you’re not you never know what a difference a proper set up can do for you.
Craig
Edited for my own spilling.
Craigs 993 story.
Right, I’m no Steve Rance but I’ve had the car out again today & I thought I’d post up on a few new experiences with the car.
First of all, for those who don't know me, my car is a 993 C4 that had been nicely though somewhat strangely specced when new, MO30 special chassis, nice but different interior, RS body styling etc & its a MY98 so it gets the other goodies like the power brakes, Varioram etc.
So, my first 911 (first Porsche in fact) but the culmination of a lifelong dream.
I got the car in July & tentatively set about learning to drive the thing. Now, like I said I can't describe things maybe as eloquently as some who post on here but I’ll try me best! I didn't buy the car to track but seeing as I had a place on a Nurburgring track day & as I know the Northloop quite well I thought it would be a good place to start.
The car was in mint condition but I put some brand new P-Zeros on for the trip & away we went. Now for all those that haven't driven a 4wd it doesn't really make itself felt that much, you just get a bit more driveline shunt & a bit of drag when you're really pressing on. Perhaps it’s a shade less reluctant to turn in as well, though that could have been my driving style before i got used to it.
The Ring was pretty wet that day though we did get some dry laps & it was all going pretty well (Though my Dad later said at no point did he ever feel safe in the passenger seat, even though he's sat through loads of sub 8:30 laps in my old cars), a couple of moments but hey that’s learning isn't it!?
Two near spins when it was damp did have me puzzled though, the first was at Adenauer Forst (the second part-the right hander) then again a couple of laps later at Ex-Muhle, and I’ve never got it wrong there before. Both corners are a transition from left to right so i was obviously unsettling the car in some way. What I did find was the relative ease in which the slide was controlled (though the fact that these are two of the slowest corners on the loop probably helped just a little!) with a simple winding on of opposite lock and a boot full of gas. I guess the viscous diff helps pull you through in the 4wd but I’ve always been taught about the importance of weight transfer when pushing on and especially in the 911 it's at the front of your mind!
So the last 6 months have progressed probably as most other owners, gradually trying to figure the car out, but I don't mind admitting it I couldn't get it to work. It always felt like the front to rear centre of gravity was somewhere behind the front seats, with me & the front wheels bouncing along on one end of the seesaw. Everyone always said about how much a 911 wheel talks to you as you drive but perhaps the 4wd versions were a bit mute? Trail braking did help as suggested by the guys in the know but I always felt you were on the edge so to speak, & what if you needed a little squeeze of brake more? How much would that upset the car mid bend? The fact was I was happy with the car (& I do love the thing) I just figured that it wasn't suited to my style of driving & just get on with enjoying owning the thing.
So long story short I fitted new suspension! I wanted the car at RS ride height and I figured if I was going in there why not do the job properly & refresh the whole thing. I won't lie budget & aesthetics dictated what i used (there was a large contingency fund for replacing the top mounts & any bushes-these things mount up) so I went with Gerts extra thread HDs with H&R pink springs. I’d heard good things about Redline Racing so they got the job of fitting the new kit & deciding what would need replacing on the consumables side. When we got onto the subject of geo set up & corner weighting I described how I drove the car & what a thought of it. The best description of what they were going to do was this
"Imagine the car on huge soft off road springs. Now imagine where you want the weight to balance and what you want to happen under braking, acceleration, cornering etc"
On getting the car back it all felt very nice, tram-lined a bit more but not crashy or overly hard (and it is very low!), but what with the weather up here it hasn't left the garage until the last few days.
What a difference! It literally is like a different car. I’ve done a couple of hundred miles on B roads just getting a feel for it & it's superb. When you hear people going on about a car feeling planted that’s just what I’ve got, the damping on uneven roads is great, with the car kind of feeling like its sitting stable with the tyres & suspension soaking up all the imperfections. The front end now feels like its working in unison with the rear, & although the wheel moves around more in your hands it seems to just telegraph so much more information about what the front tyres are doing. on the old set up it almost felt as though the front & back ends were at odds with one another, as if the car was twisting in itself torsionally & you were waiting for it to unwind in a corner & buck itself off the road.
We took the car down to Kendal on Monday on the superb A6 which is full of fast flowing 3rd, 4th & even 5th gear corners & it was a blast. The best way I can describe it is it's as if the car has had a huge roll-cage welded in, the car just feels so much more solid & now the suspension is doing more of the work. the only time we were caught out was when I decided to down shift & extra gear just at the turn in of a corner & there was a deep rut across the width of the road, with only one hand on the wheel the car momentarily skipped as I struggled to hold the wheel-driver error I know!
So all in all I’m very happy with how it's turned out. The funny thing is in the history file there are loads of invoices down the years for alignments & the previous owner was particularly fastidious PCGB member, but it just wasn't set up right. The guys even said there was nothing wrong with the old dampers but on arriving at redline even just looking at it in the car park they said it was a mile out.
So, moral of the story, if like me you struggle with your car get it to someone who knows their 911s, even if you’re not you never know what a difference a proper set up can do for you.
Craig
Edited for my own spilling.
Edited by Whatty on Wednesday 5th January 21:20
Edited by Whatty on Wednesday 5th January 21:21
thanks for the help guys!
ringading-
more wheel time is exactly what i need! in fact i'm booked on the spa track day in early april but what with the way i felt about the car i'd kind of decided against it. so we were planning on taking the car down through france, stopping at reims then grenoble to pick up the route napolean.
after that it will be on to the south coast & monaco whilst sampling as much of the cols as the weather will allow before heading up to the italian lakes, then onto cervinia for a little skiing then lake geneva & some more alpine roads
then it'll be back up through germany with a stop at the porsche museum before getting to the ring for easter weekend.
it's a little early in the year for all that but it would fit in with the gf school holidays (she's a teacher by the way not a pupil!). however what with my new found trust in the car perhaps a little trip to spa is just whats needed, decisions decisions
ringading-
more wheel time is exactly what i need! in fact i'm booked on the spa track day in early april but what with the way i felt about the car i'd kind of decided against it. so we were planning on taking the car down through france, stopping at reims then grenoble to pick up the route napolean.
after that it will be on to the south coast & monaco whilst sampling as much of the cols as the weather will allow before heading up to the italian lakes, then onto cervinia for a little skiing then lake geneva & some more alpine roads
then it'll be back up through germany with a stop at the porsche museum before getting to the ring for easter weekend.
it's a little early in the year for all that but it would fit in with the gf school holidays (she's a teacher by the way not a pupil!). however what with my new found trust in the car perhaps a little trip to spa is just whats needed, decisions decisions
cragswinter said:
thanks for the help guys!
ringading-
more wheel time is exactly what i need! in fact i'm booked on the spa track day in early april but what with the way i felt about the car i'd kind of decided against it. so we were planning on taking the car down through france, stopping at reims then grenoble to pick up the route napolean.
after that it will be on to the south coast & monaco whilst sampling as much of the cols as the weather will allow before heading up to the italian lakes, then onto cervinia for a little skiing then lake geneva & some more alpine roads
then it'll be back up through germany with a stop at the porsche museum before getting to the ring for easter weekend.
it's a little early in the year for all that but it would fit in with the gf school holidays (she's a teacher by the way not a pupil!). however what with my new found trust in the car perhaps a little trip to spa is just whats needed, decisions decisions
Spa on April 4th by chance?ringading-
more wheel time is exactly what i need! in fact i'm booked on the spa track day in early april but what with the way i felt about the car i'd kind of decided against it. so we were planning on taking the car down through france, stopping at reims then grenoble to pick up the route napolean.
after that it will be on to the south coast & monaco whilst sampling as much of the cols as the weather will allow before heading up to the italian lakes, then onto cervinia for a little skiing then lake geneva & some more alpine roads
then it'll be back up through germany with a stop at the porsche museum before getting to the ring for easter weekend.
it's a little early in the year for all that but it would fit in with the gf school holidays (she's a teacher by the way not a pupil!). however what with my new found trust in the car perhaps a little trip to spa is just whats needed, decisions decisions
Ringading said:
Spa on April 4th by chance?
yep thats the one, though i have bloody awful luck out at spa, in fact i'm on this one as a freeby due to last years being cancelled because of the track collapse!i'm guessing we might have met by your profile picture? i used to drive a blue megane r26.r out there a lot & also the "fast dad" nissan gtr?
are you going to spa?
Edited by cragswinter on Wednesday 5th January 20:42
cragswinter said:
yep thats the one, though i have bloody awful luck out at spa, in fact i'm on this one as a freeby due to last years being cancelled because of the track collapse!
i'm guessing we might have met by your profile picture? i used to drive a blue megane r26.r out there a lot & also the "fast dad" nissan gtr?
are you going to spa?
Ahh, you were FA57 DAD? We never met mate, but I was there in october and spotted the GTR on that trip.i'm guessing we might have met by your profile picture? i used to drive a blue megane r26.r out there a lot & also the "fast dad" nissan gtr?
are you going to spa?
Myself and a couple of mates are ferrying from Newcastle on April 2nd to take part at Spa on the 4th - never been, after that we're planning on heading to the ring for a day or 2 if it's open.
Hopefully the 'ring will be a bit quieter midweek!
Fingers crossed I'll meet you at Spa, if you go.
Nice one Craig, I'm sick of telling folk to get their 911s set up properly and they're so easily knocked out of alignment, I've always had mine done properly twice a year (mainly due to the roads) and you still notice the difference each time!
We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
johnycarrera said:
Nice one Craig, I'm sick of telling folk to get their 911s set up properly and they're so easily knocked out of alignment, I've always had mine done properly twice a year (mainly due to the roads) and you still notice the difference each time!
We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
JC - where do you get your set up done up here?We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
Sorry for the hijack!
Ringading said:
johnycarrera said:
Nice one Craig, I'm sick of telling folk to get their 911s set up properly and they're so easily knocked out of alignment, I've always had mine done properly twice a year (mainly due to the roads) and you still notice the difference each time!
We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
JC - where do you get your set up done up here?We're taking in most of your planned route for the Monaco GP 2012 (known as "GUMBAW 2012" in Scotland) would be great if you came along!
jc
Sorry for the hijack!
jc
Ringading yes that was us, the car belongs to my mate steve (& is where I get my unbiased opinions from on the monthly gtr vs gt3 threads 
), we go out there quite a lot & he'll be there at spa with the gtr so if I don't take the 911 I'll more than likely be there in that.
Oh & don't worry about it being a thread hijack that's exactly the reason I posted, it's great that people who live near chris can get a fantastic set up at centre gravity but for all of the rest of us that live miles away we need advice.
Johnny, that trip sounds awesome pal-& 2012 leaves plenty of time for planning, I'll definatly be interested!
Ps with regards to my cars LSD redline said it worked fine though if I wanted more I'd have to go after market & accept the extra low speed compramises that go with it. I'm tempted to leave things as they are & see how the new set up effects things on hairpins before I go any further.
Craig
), we go out there quite a lot & he'll be there at spa with the gtr so if I don't take the 911 I'll more than likely be there in that.Oh & don't worry about it being a thread hijack that's exactly the reason I posted, it's great that people who live near chris can get a fantastic set up at centre gravity but for all of the rest of us that live miles away we need advice.
Johnny, that trip sounds awesome pal-& 2012 leaves plenty of time for planning, I'll definatly be interested!
Ps with regards to my cars LSD redline said it worked fine though if I wanted more I'd have to go after market & accept the extra low speed compramises that go with it. I'm tempted to leave things as they are & see how the new set up effects things on hairpins before I go any further.
Craig
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