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Unfortunately my Tuscan S is sick....Those lovely people at TVR are going to get it sorted for me but it means I will be without her for some time...Never mind life goes on. Will probably take this opportunity to order a MK2 Tuscan S.
I suppose I should be miffed but strangely I am not. I must be a TVR nutter!!
Does that mean I am MAD???
I suppose I should be miffed but strangely I am not. I must be a TVR nutter!!
Does that mean I am MAD???Bugger.
And that is 2002 production? Groan...
Had a conversation at TVR a couple of weeks ago. Testing shows that as engine speed increases, the force on the finger followers decreases. Therefore, contrary to what would seem obvious, they reckon the engines enjoy being thrashed more than simply bumbling about town.
Hope it all gets sorted sharpish - and that its not the ffs!
And that is 2002 production? Groan...
Had a conversation at TVR a couple of weeks ago. Testing shows that as engine speed increases, the force on the finger followers decreases. Therefore, contrary to what would seem obvious, they reckon the engines enjoy being thrashed more than simply bumbling about town.
Hope it all gets sorted sharpish - and that its not the ffs!
Very sorry to hear this and hope its not a big problem for you- what a B*****D!
HMMMM-use mine every day up to town and back. Lots of bumbling along .Big blat evey weekend to keep it happy...oh,and me. Is this a recipe for disaster or should I approach Westborne Grove flat out evey morning?
Seriously-were the Lancastrian Lubricists recomending not using the beast in town? New one on me and my dealer if they are.
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HMMMM-use mine every day up to town and back. Lots of bumbling along .Big blat evey weekend to keep it happy...oh,and me. Is this a recipe for disaster or should I approach Westborne Grove flat out evey morning?
Seriously-were the Lancastrian Lubricists recomending not using the beast in town? New one on me and my dealer if they are.
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 26th July 22:59
sideways mostly said:
Very sorry to hear this and hope its not a big problem for you- what a B*****D!
HMMMM-use mine every day up to town and back. Lots of bumbling along .Big blat evey weekend to keep it happy...oh,and me. Is this a recipe for disaster or should I approach Westborne Grove flat out evey morning?
Seriously-were the Lancastrian Lubricists recomending not using the beast in town? New one on me and my dealer if they are.
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 26th July 22:59
Not really like that. Just happened to be speaking to one of the service guys after dropping mine off there for its 24K fettle. I was asking what the state of play was with the engines and he said they are still getting some FF problems coming through on earlier cars. He then volunteered that they had done some testing on FFs which showed that the stress levels on FFs decreases with increasing engine speed. Read into that what you will, but I think they were suggesting (implicitly) that the engines are designed to go fast, its what they are intended for, and 'should' lap it up. I guess one explanation for premature FF wear is where engines are predominantly used as commuter cars in slow moving traffic - and possibly don't enjoy the same level of lubrication. Mind you, that is conjecture, perhaps reading to much into it and could therefore be complete and utter bollox! Would be nice to see some stats on this foible though.
TUS 373 said:
He then volunteered that they had done some testing on FFs which showed that the stress levels on FFs decreases with increasing engine speed.
This should be the case.
www.pumaracing.co.uk/cam1.htm
Cheers,
Andy.
This is what cracks me up with pistonheads you can sweep it under the carpet stick Myths & Misconceptions on the tuscan site you can call people trolls when the topic is raised you can even bin it but it wont go away. The only people who can make it disappear are TVR. They have treated people like mushrooms. Why is there still FF problems why did the sp6 drop 400cc why do valves suffer why do crank shafts give up the ghost.
TVR owners are not asking for blood just the truth
On the other hand it seems that the 3.6 sp6 is fairing well at the moment dont hear of any issues.
So maybe it has been rectified. Its the 4.0ltr tuscans and cerbs that have / had the problems
TVR owners are not asking for blood just the truth
On the other hand it seems that the 3.6 sp6 is fairing well at the moment dont hear of any issues.
So maybe it has been rectified. Its the 4.0ltr tuscans and cerbs that have / had the problems
Well, I posted the original Myths and Misconceptions so I suppose I had better reply to this. Essentially, I put the problems to TVR as no doubt others have before me.
What was becoming an irritation to many on PHs was that it was difficult to get objective feedback on the problems. TVR themselves do not seem to choose to represent themselves publicly on the engine problems and on the other hand many trolls just seemed to be winding S6 owners up for entertainment.
The S6 has certainly had its problems, there is no denying it. Some of us have been luckier than others it seems too. I'm not sure we will ever know all the answers as to the exact nature of the problems because of TVR's silence on the matter and because of the great amount of inseparable fact and fiction mixed together on sites such as this.
It is true that some engines have never required any rebuilds and seem to run very well. I have recently met an owner who did 40,000 miles with no rebuilds and then got himself another Tuscan. On the other hand, I now know of someone who has had a second rebuild for FFs. These were all 4.0 engines BTW. I cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from this other that some engines are seemingly OK, and others aren't. If they are built the same, as TVR stated they are, then where do the differences come in? Is it how they are driven, serviced, built or the parts used? TVR are open that their source of components for FFs was below par - but it does appear that if this is indeed the source of the problem, then they have found their way into 2002 production.
I think the only way to get some answers is to survey all S6 owners and get their experiences tallied up. IIRC, the ToG already tried to do this some time ago and was working closely with the factory on these issues. I really don't know what happened after that though and I think there was disappointment with how few owners gave feedback.
From my own personal point of view - I don't wish to crucify or criticise TVR unfairly. Neither do I wish to listen to background noise from trolls. I like you and many others simply want to know the truth but I fear that it will not be forthcoming.
What was becoming an irritation to many on PHs was that it was difficult to get objective feedback on the problems. TVR themselves do not seem to choose to represent themselves publicly on the engine problems and on the other hand many trolls just seemed to be winding S6 owners up for entertainment.
The S6 has certainly had its problems, there is no denying it. Some of us have been luckier than others it seems too. I'm not sure we will ever know all the answers as to the exact nature of the problems because of TVR's silence on the matter and because of the great amount of inseparable fact and fiction mixed together on sites such as this.
It is true that some engines have never required any rebuilds and seem to run very well. I have recently met an owner who did 40,000 miles with no rebuilds and then got himself another Tuscan. On the other hand, I now know of someone who has had a second rebuild for FFs. These were all 4.0 engines BTW. I cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from this other that some engines are seemingly OK, and others aren't. If they are built the same, as TVR stated they are, then where do the differences come in? Is it how they are driven, serviced, built or the parts used? TVR are open that their source of components for FFs was below par - but it does appear that if this is indeed the source of the problem, then they have found their way into 2002 production.
I think the only way to get some answers is to survey all S6 owners and get their experiences tallied up. IIRC, the ToG already tried to do this some time ago and was working closely with the factory on these issues. I really don't know what happened after that though and I think there was disappointment with how few owners gave feedback.
From my own personal point of view - I don't wish to crucify or criticise TVR unfairly. Neither do I wish to listen to background noise from trolls. I like you and many others simply want to know the truth but I fear that it will not be forthcoming.
I am not a troll but this post is the final straw for me as a potential Tuscan customer.
As much as I love them, I just cannot accept this timebomb situation that would have me continuously on edge whenever I drove the car. Its a shame, cos the performance is superb and the car looks the business. Its also the only convertible option for a "newer" TVR if you aren't a fan of the Tamora.
Good luck to those who perservere. You deserve the support of TVR as their QA customers. Thank god the loyalty persists in this addictive marque.
As much as I love them, I just cannot accept this timebomb situation that would have me continuously on edge whenever I drove the car. Its a shame, cos the performance is superb and the car looks the business. Its also the only convertible option for a "newer" TVR if you aren't a fan of the Tamora.
Good luck to those who perservere. You deserve the support of TVR as their QA customers. Thank god the loyalty persists in this addictive marque.
[quote=shnozz]I am not a troll but this post is the final straw for me as a potential Tuscan customer.
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Hi Shnozz. You've been around long enough for us to know that you are not a troll! Out of curiosity though, is it my post above you are referring to as the last straw (I'd be mortified if it was) or do you mean the thread in general?
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Hi Shnozz. You've been around long enough for us to know that you are not a troll! Out of curiosity though, is it my post above you are referring to as the last straw (I'd be mortified if it was) or do you mean the thread in general?
TUS 373 said:
Hi Shnozz. You've been around long enough for us to know that you are not a troll! Out of curiosity though, is it my post above you are referring to as the last straw (I'd be mortified if it was) or do you mean the thread in general?
Sorry mate - not your particular post at all.
like many potential customers I have been keeping an eye on the speed 6 issues to see how they have been panning out over the production life. Amongst all the negatives you see the encouraging comments now and again and then, woomph, another one bites the dust. Seeing a 2002 car with the problems just emphasises to me that the problems haven't gone away to the extent I am comfortable putting my hard earned into what I consider a liability. Its not so much the thought of handing over the £s for a rebuild (lets face it the car is still great value for its combination of class leading looks/performance even if you added the cost of 3 or 4 rebuilds) - its the uncertainty. The fact every time I heard a funny noise I would worry it was a long holiday to Blackpool, the thoughts of going on a 2k european trip as I did in the chimaera this year etc etc.
Just as I get some confidence in the later (or more recently rebuilt) cars something like this comes along. It might be a lesser occurence but the backlog at the factory of rebuilds does little to inspire me.
I do hope they resolve the issues for you lucky owners, but I just dont think I am the sort of person that can take those risks. I dont mind niggles in a handbuilt car, in fact I have had plenty with both the TVRs I have owned. But a confidence issue as to whether the engine will get me from A - B is something that I dont think I have the character to just forget about until D-day comes.
Such a shame as I really fancy one and the cerbera means hardtop motoring. It looks like the AJP is the only route for a more modern TVR or I go elsewhere
anyways, just my tuppence. Fair play to all of you for your perserverance.
Fine words Shnozz. I remember selling my pride and joy Chimaera to buy my Tuscan. I felt almost physically sick waving good bye to it with a cheque in my hands. It was an absolute minter, low mileage, perfect runner and got me to France and back for a superb driving holiday. But I saw the Tuscan and I could not resist and had to have it.
The deal was too good to miss and I loved the car, but I did have many nagging doubts like you about the reliability issues. Fortunately for me, it has been a Paragon of virtue and just returned from its 24K service with 18,500 miles on running better than ever. The tappety noises are there - but I know that it has all been looked at and adjusted - so its perfectly normal. But, above all, I do know where you are coming from in taking that leap of faith!
Maybe just give it some more time and see how things develop with the S6 and TVR. They are getting 580 bhp out of it for the Typhon so looks like they are very committed to it. Only time will tell.
Also just heard (if its true) that TVR has now been sold to...eh....a 24 year old Russian entrepreneur. So watch this space.
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