RED ROSE SPEC???
Discussion
I'll have a first bash, and somebody else can correct me as necessary 
In relation to the Tuscan a short answer is that the original Tuscan had a number of options. Over time (bearing in mind that a TVRs build spec can change on a week by week basis
) the "Red Rose" came to mean all the upgrades in one package:
Engine
Brakes
Suspension
Air Con
IIRC are the obvious bits and bobs.
The idea of the RR didn't really take off. So the revision to a 3.6 base model and an "S" were made (mid-2002?????).
In the all-important engine department, I believe that writing "Red Rose" in black felt tip pen on the block was also accompanied by a few tweaks inside to produce an extra few bhp.
It's usually a matter of conjecture just how many extra horses were plugged in - could be 20-30. But then the "original" was never short of a few.
The nice bit is that the Red Rose doesn't have some of the "improvements" found in the "S" like the rear spoiler and re-positioned indicators. In fact you can't tell from the outside that it is an RR - I love mine for that (amongst its myriad of features!)
At the end of the day, though, a car would be specced as a compromise of what the customer wanted and the factory (and bossman) were prepared to do at the time. So I very much suspect that no two RRs are necessarily the same.
In relation to the Tuscan a short answer is that the original Tuscan had a number of options. Over time (bearing in mind that a TVRs build spec can change on a week by week basis
) the "Red Rose" came to mean all the upgrades in one package: Engine
Brakes
Suspension
Air Con
IIRC are the obvious bits and bobs.
The idea of the RR didn't really take off. So the revision to a 3.6 base model and an "S" were made (mid-2002?????).
In the all-important engine department, I believe that writing "Red Rose" in black felt tip pen on the block was also accompanied by a few tweaks inside to produce an extra few bhp.
It's usually a matter of conjecture just how many extra horses were plugged in - could be 20-30. But then the "original" was never short of a few.
The nice bit is that the Red Rose doesn't have some of the "improvements" found in the "S" like the rear spoiler and re-positioned indicators. In fact you can't tell from the outside that it is an RR - I love mine for that (amongst its myriad of features!)
At the end of the day, though, a car would be specced as a compromise of what the customer wanted and the factory (and bossman) were prepared to do at the time. So I very much suspect that no two RRs are necessarily the same.
TVR Power offer Red Rose engine upgrades.
There is information here about the Red Rose upgrade for the Speed 6 engine:
www.tvrpower.co.uk/sp6.RR.php
and here for the AJP V8:
www.tvrpower.co.uk/ajpV8.red.rose.upgrade.php
in basic terms of the parts fitted and the work done.
There is information here about the Red Rose upgrade for the Speed 6 engine:
www.tvrpower.co.uk/sp6.RR.php
and here for the AJP V8:
www.tvrpower.co.uk/ajpV8.red.rose.upgrade.php
in basic terms of the parts fitted and the work done.
TVRspirit said:
ok then if i well understand the sagaris 4.0 is a full red rose upgrade! Do i'm right?
The 3.6L red rose must be very interesting!!
Probably not. Red Rose spec has been superseded by the 'S' spec, as mentioned earlier.
AFAIK, the Sagaris has different suspension and possibly brakes than the Tuscan S (which is effectively a modern Red Rose car).
Check TVR's website for up to date specifications on the new cars.
Slight addendums...
RR spec was originally kind of visible externally... cross drilled brakes weren't standard to begin with, as far as I know.
Also, RR spec included the height adjustable dampers. These (as well as the brakes) became pretty much standard fitment later in the life of the car, not least because of owners complaining.
The 3.6 engine is noticeably less torquey than the 4.0 - peak BHP figures really don't convey how much harder you've got to wring the neck of the 3.6 (that's not to say it's slow, mind!)
Not sure if aircon was included on the original RR spec or not (definitely was on S spec, though, along with colour-matched boot carpet, and possibly DAB?)
RR spec was originally kind of visible externally... cross drilled brakes weren't standard to begin with, as far as I know.
Also, RR spec included the height adjustable dampers. These (as well as the brakes) became pretty much standard fitment later in the life of the car, not least because of owners complaining.
The 3.6 engine is noticeably less torquey than the 4.0 - peak BHP figures really don't convey how much harder you've got to wring the neck of the 3.6 (that's not to say it's slow, mind!)
Not sure if aircon was included on the original RR spec or not (definitely was on S spec, though, along with colour-matched boot carpet, and possibly DAB?)
Red rose specs.......what's that response....string, how long.....!!
Varies as mentioned. Mine has the uprated handling kit - slightly firmer springs and dampers, ride height is about the same. Turn in is ligheningly quick
Brakes upgrade - mine say AP racing on them, and are crossdrilled.
Engine - mine's the standard 4.0L !
Varies as mentioned. Mine has the uprated handling kit - slightly firmer springs and dampers, ride height is about the same. Turn in is ligheningly quick
Brakes upgrade - mine say AP racing on them, and are crossdrilled.
Engine - mine's the standard 4.0L !
When TVR launched the Tuscan, or rather the time they launched it just before it became available, Peter Wheeler decided to offer a performance pack, so the Tuscan Red Rose became an option - it was originally shown at the Motorshow with a Lancashire Red Rose sticker but nothing came of that.
The original Red Rose spec was:
- 18"wheels
- Uprated suspension (adjustable to a limited extent)
- Uprated brakes - bigger disks and cross drilled - you can spot them by the fact they have seperate bells and are bolted on to the bells
- Engine mods giving an extra 40bhp (390 instead of the standard 4.0 360 - the 3.6 engine came a bit later on)
This little lot cost £4,200 including VAT according to my invoice
The Red Rose spec did NOT include air con, boot coloured carpet, DAB radio or colour coded steering wheel - these were the options added to the Red Rose spec to create the Tuscan S (along with the appropriately named spoilers)
The 3.6 engine came about around the time the Tamora was launched and had a claimed 350bhp (the same as the 4.0 Cerbera Speed Six) and the Tuscan S remained although now with a claimed 400bhp
As you will no doubt know, many people wanted the 18" wheels so they became the normal choice, the standard car aquired modified suspension during its life and also bigger brakes, but not the same as those used on the Red Rose cars (you will struggle to get the original Red Rose disks now and boy are they expensive) and people also started getting their engines upgraded to Red Rose or S spec during rebuilds, so the line between Red rose and "standard" gets pretty vague, but obviously the Red rose spec is the one to go for (air con just saps power anyway)
Hope that clears it up!! Can you tell I have a Red Rose Tuscan?? And it's up for sale in the PH classifieds
Graham
The original Red Rose spec was:
- 18"wheels
- Uprated suspension (adjustable to a limited extent)
- Uprated brakes - bigger disks and cross drilled - you can spot them by the fact they have seperate bells and are bolted on to the bells
- Engine mods giving an extra 40bhp (390 instead of the standard 4.0 360 - the 3.6 engine came a bit later on)
This little lot cost £4,200 including VAT according to my invoice
The Red Rose spec did NOT include air con, boot coloured carpet, DAB radio or colour coded steering wheel - these were the options added to the Red Rose spec to create the Tuscan S (along with the appropriately named spoilers)
The 3.6 engine came about around the time the Tamora was launched and had a claimed 350bhp (the same as the 4.0 Cerbera Speed Six) and the Tuscan S remained although now with a claimed 400bhp
As you will no doubt know, many people wanted the 18" wheels so they became the normal choice, the standard car aquired modified suspension during its life and also bigger brakes, but not the same as those used on the Red Rose cars (you will struggle to get the original Red Rose disks now and boy are they expensive) and people also started getting their engines upgraded to Red Rose or S spec during rebuilds, so the line between Red rose and "standard" gets pretty vague, but obviously the Red rose spec is the one to go for (air con just saps power anyway)
Hope that clears it up!! Can you tell I have a Red Rose Tuscan?? And it's up for sale in the PH classifieds
Graham
Graham,
that the kind of answers i like, that's clear now i know nearly everything on TVR and Red Rose thank you very much and let me tell you that your car is very beautifull!
That was you at Le Mans race last year??
Just a question, i'm nearly sure about the answer but, you will take another TVR i hope??
that the kind of answers i like, that's clear now i know nearly everything on TVR and Red Rose thank you very much and let me tell you that your car is very beautifull!
That was you at Le Mans race last year??
Just a question, i'm nearly sure about the answer but, you will take another TVR i hope??
My 3.6 Red Rose T 350, which is up for sale @ Silverstone TVR (plug over!) made over 400 BHP and was backed off for better fuel consumption/driveability by John Ravenscroft when he did the mapping. That was dynoed by TVR after being built as can be verified by my brother's next-door neighbour Andy Sims as he built it!
And a trip out in the Trough of Bowland with 2 members from here last year in a Tamora and 500 Chim highlighted the difference in power when my car "left them for dead" with both of them posting "oh my god how quick is your car!" the next day.
The quite large difference in performance on the day might have something to do with my engine developing a genuine 400 BHP and the other two cars not truly having 350 and 320 BHP respectively, as the gap between my T350 and the Tamora (especially) was pretty big!
And a trip out in the Trough of Bowland with 2 members from here last year in a Tamora and 500 Chim highlighted the difference in power when my car "left them for dead" with both of them posting "oh my god how quick is your car!" the next day.
The quite large difference in performance on the day might have something to do with my engine developing a genuine 400 BHP and the other two cars not truly having 350 and 320 BHP respectively, as the gap between my T350 and the Tamora (especially) was pretty big!
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